I think that was from the nudist Mom and Dad founders. I think the son runs the company now and I do't think they do that any more, at least not from what I see in their online catalogue. I believe they have also moved from NH to CO But, I don't see any changes in the products for many years.
As you can see from my post from a while back at the top(post #60 in this thread 10/21/2012), they certainly have gone up a lot since I got mine- from $25 to $60. Almost tripled! Oh well, I would probably still pay it just to get the fuzzy stuff liner which works so well. But maybe thin merino wool, which many of us already have, would be just as comfortable under an unlined VB? If so, if one already had a very thin lightweight un-breathable piece of rain gear and merino wool, it would be a lot cheaper to test.
This is the route I’m planning to go. There are several PVC rainsuits on Amazon for $20-$30. They might not hold up great for a lot of hiking, but for a cheap VBL while sleeping with a thin layer underneath might be just the ticket. I have some silk base layers that are my go to and should be just about right for this.
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It will be interesting to see if- assuming you also avoid over heating and sweating- you find this comfortable, as I do the Warmlite brand's fuzzystuff VB. Also, for the gram weanies among us, if it is weight efficient. I think my WL shirt XL is 8 oz, which includes the built in liner. I think even my thinnest Merino wool tops weigh close to that, so any extra dedicated VB layer would be some # of oz added on to that. Although, if it had any sort of dual purpose(rain gear?) or could replace one insulation layer due to it's added warmth and ability to keep other insulation drier, any reasonably small amount of extra weight might be negated.
In winter, it’s not always about weight. A few ounces here or there that help provide a better night’s sleep or keep your other layers working optimally are well worth it.
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Super awesome thread, learned a lot. Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences
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