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    Senior Member TimberbeastWaco's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravity View Post
    Disclaimer: The main piece of advice in this post has been entirely concocted by me. I have not seen this advice anywhere else in this or any other forum, blog, article, etc. Therefore, it may be one man’s experience and may not apply to the general population.

    Here is the executive summary:

    Before fully committing to the hammock experience for hiking and camping, you should setup a hammock inside your home or patio. Sleep there every night for two weeks, and at the end of that time you should know if you will be comfortable using a hammock for hiking and camping.

    It is crucial that you use a comfortable pillow. After spending too many nights not completely comfortable while sleeping on a hammock, I finally switched my very small hiking pillow (7x2x2) for a real pillow. The difference was night and day, and now I hang full-time, and even got rid of my comfy queen-size bed. The key to hammock nirvana was the right pillow. For hiking, I'll use a smaller pillow, but not the microscopic one I used before.

    Here’s the full advice about hanging indoors:

    When you are starting out, get yourself a simple hammock, the suspension to hang the hammock, and a summer-weight partial quilt. Nothing else is necessary at this point.

    Get a hammock without foot-boxes, shelves, knotty mods, integrated bugnets, etc. A simple hammock is inexpensive, and allows you to sleep “left-to-right” or vice versa. And if you are going to be hanging full-time, you will eventually enjoy positioning yourself in either direction. I currently sleep on my back, my left side, and my right side, in either the left-to-right, or right-to-left directions, and that adds to six different ways in which I am able to lay in my hammock. This increases my comfort and is healthier, as my body doesn’t have a bunch of weight parked on just one part of itself for an extended time.

    Another advantage of hanging inside is that if you don't achieve comfort right away, you can easily move to your own bed and still get enough rest to get you through your next busy day. I started by sleeping in the hammock only for a couple of hours, and then increasing the time as I got more and more comfortable. After nine or ten days, I was able to enjoy quality rest for the entire night. It takes a while to get yourself dialed-in, but after your experience and confidence increase, you'll be able to find those "sweet spots" in no time.

    Also, try to buy your hammock from a cottage vendor - they make good stuff and you will have the satisfaction of supporting a small entrepreneur. And even if you are of short stature, get an 11-foot hammock, as that will give you a better chance to achieve a comfortable flat lay, without calf-ridge and shoulder-squeeze. For the same reasons, pick one that is on the wide side, say, sixty or more inches. And finally, choose the right fabric for your body weight, as recommended in the web pages of your hammock vendor.

    I have seen several forum members start very enthusiastically, buy a bunch of equipment, and a short time later post a thread selling all their stuff and saying that hammock hanging is not for them. I hope this thread helps those who may be having doubts about continuing, as well as the newbies brimming with enthusiasm and plunking their dollars left and right. I think that hammock hanging should work for most people, but you have to take the time to do it right. At the beginning it may not seem as easy as sleeping on the ground, but with the right practice and equipment, it will become just as easy and a whole lot more comfortable.

    Go forth and achieve Nirvana!
    when it reached 100 deg.f outside I could not cool off in the hammock, I came inside and slept all night except for going down the hall a few times.
    77 deg. f setting i used a poncho liner under quilt, woke up with not a pain any where, I have been sleeping inside in a hammock for 6 mo now. After 30+ years my wife has the bed to herself and I have my hammock in the living room, my wireless headphones work that far. I love it. Here are a few pics, the rest are in my album. Have fun I do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravity View Post
    Mounted anchor rings



    I am about to do this set up in my guest bedroom, but was wondering about these pictures. It seems to me that these d-rings would start to bite into the sheetrock, but your pictures do not show that. Are these pictures taken immediately after installation? If so, since then have you experienced any damage to the sheetrock?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedStix View Post
    ... It seems to me that these d-rings would start to bite into the sheetrock, but your pictures do not show that... have you experienced any damage to the sheetrock?
    No damage. The ring is being pulled AWAY from the sheet rock at all times, minimizing any ring-to-wall friction or pressure.
    Last edited by Gravity; 12-03-2014 at 07:09.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravity View Post
    Pillows, Pillows, Pillows


    Light-Weight Pillows

    - Antigravity Flex Air Pillow (0.9 oz): http://antigravitygear.com/shop/slee...alight-pillow/. This is the one I use in the field, with a fitting pillow case, works great. $4.50

    - AHE Cub Pillow (3 oz): http://www.arrowhead-equipment.com/s...ub_Pillow.html

    - Big Sky Dream Sleeper (1.45 oz): http://bigskyproducts.com/Big-Sky-Dr...le-pillow.aspx
    --- Video review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE6v45iAYXA
    --- Written review: http://southwestultralight.blogspot....nal-dream.html

    - Black Rock Down Pillow (2 oz): http://www.blackrockgear.com/pillow.html

    - Cocoon Hyperlite Air Core (2.4 oz): http://www.campsaver.com/hyperlight-aircore-pillow
    --- Video review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smUwD3neIGg

    - Exped Air Pillow (2.8 oz): http://www.campsaver.com/air-pillow
    - Exped Air Pillow UL (1.6 oz): http://www.campsaver.com/air-pillow-ul-1
    --- Video review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NeU8q37Z3A
    --- Written review: http://www.trailgroove.com/entry.php...llow-UL-Review

    - Graham FlexAir Pillow (0.6 oz): http://www.jacksrbetter.com/shop/graham-flexair-pillow/. This is a smaller version of the Antigravity pillow, at a great price ($1.75)

    - Montbell UL Comfort Sleeping (2.4 oz): http://www.amazon.com/MontBell-U-L-C...+SYSTEM+PILLOW


    Heavy Pillows

    - ALPS Mountaineering MicroFiber Camp Pillow (8 oz): http://www.midwayusa.com/product/137...icrofiber-gray
    --- Video review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kTCrW8I5s8

    - Grand Trunk Travel Pillow (12 oz): http://store.grandtrunkgoods.com/cat...ct/view/id/22/

    - LL Bean Flannel Pillow (7 oz): http://www.llbean.com/llb/shop/78657...el-camp-pillow
    - LL Bean Down Pillow (7 oz): http://www.llbean.com/llb/shop/78115...w-with-downtek

    - Nemo Fillo (11 oz): http://www.campsaver.com/fillo-pillow
    - Nemo Fillo Luxury (14 oz): http://www.campsaver.com/fillo-luxury-pillow-1
    --- Video review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiinPBQNGqs

    - Therm-A-Rest Compressible (7 oz): http://www.campsaver.com/compressible-pillow
    --- Video review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1c1BqSrXLc
    --- Amazon reviews: http://www.amazon.com/Therm-A-Rest-0...g_tr_3401681_4

    - Stansport Outdoor (7 oz): http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00171K9YS/...I1LX1VM8R86COR
    --- This may be the same than the LL Bean (?)

    - Wilderness Logics Down Pillow (5 oz): http://wildernesslogics.com/Pillow-Pillow.htm

    For hammocks, it is nice if you can use a piece of shock cord to tether the pillow from the ridgeline, to prevent it from sliding down or falling to the ground, when you sit up or get in/out of the hammock. Most of the pillows above either have loops, or a label than can be used as a loop. Another option is to DIY a pillow case with attaching points.

    The above list is just a small part of the camping pillow universe. A search in Amazon or any of the camping outfitters is sure to bring up many other models. And of course, it is an easy enough project to mod a pillow or cushion that you already have, or get some filling at a fabric store and make your own.
    I have been using a Cabela's 30-06 Camp Pillows, I have both and found the small one works behind my head the best, the bigger one for my legs if needed.

    These pillows are super-soft, 50/50 polyester cotton/brushed polyester.l. Filled with high-loft 100% polyester Outfitter Loft® insulation for plush comfort and warmth. Stuff sack included for easy transport and storage. Small is 9.5 inches long x 5.5 inches wide x 5.5 inches tall. Big is 20 inches wide x 20 inches tall.
    http://reviews.cabelas.com/8815/5802...submissionTime
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    Gravity - did you pre-drill starter holes for the Spax screws?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedStix View Post
    Gravity - did you pre-drill starter holes for the Spax screws?
    I recently did this setup in my bedroom. I tried to pre-drill the holes but my drill is just... pathetic. Once it got to the studs it basically stopped. So I used a screw driver and did it the old fashioned way with basically no pre-drilling. It was a lot of labor, but it worked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedStix View Post
    Gravity - did you pre-drill starter holes for the Spax screws?
    Spax says pre-drilling is not needed. But I pre-drilled fine narrow holes anyway. I feel starter holes help guide the screw in a straight path. But i am no expert, not even close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedStix View Post
    Gravity - did you pre-drill starter holes for the Spax screws?
    Yes I did with a 5/16 drill bit for all four holes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravity View Post
    The bees knees

    Indoor hangers have the luxury option of using a pillow under their legs, knee-high. This helps with knee over-extension, and to smooth out any perception of calf-ridge. In the field, a rolled-up t-shirt or similar, provide a poor man's option.
    I actually roll my pillows (yes, 2 of them, 1 for my legs and 1 for my head) up into my sleeping bag when on the move. It has worked just fine for me and has the added benefit of not demanding any extra room (ok, a negatable amount of room) plus two less things I have to worry about where they are when I'm packing up to get out.

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    I personally wouldn't trust spax screws with my weight, especially only four of them. They are very nice screws and I've used them for a number of my projects around the house. One problem with screws like that is that they won't withstand shear forces very well. It's not uncommon to shear the head off a screw if you over-torque them with a cordless drill etc. I'd also want stronger d-rings as well. I'm not a climber but I've heard a number of times on this forum that climbers want a much larger safety factor than a 400lb working load limit would provide.

    This is what I used for my setup (in use every night that I'm in town for two+ months):

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    04829.jpg http://www.menards.com/main/tools-ha...509-c-8742.htm

    You will DEFINITELY need to pre-drill the holes for the lag screws or you will split your 2x4 and/or find it impossible to drive them in. Be sure that you're centered on a stud before drilling the holes.

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