The 50 State Project: US State Parks & Hammocks

**ikemouser** · 07-05-2013, 11:09

Originally Posted by halfastronomical

So I can camp in your yard for free as long as I LNT?

No, because you would be violating my property rights, it's my yard which i obtained without the use of force. Unlike so called "public land".

**halfastronomical** · 07-05-2013, 11:23

Originally Posted by ikemouser

No, because you would be violating my property rights, it's my yard which i obtained without the use of force. Unlike so called "public land".

Even if i say pretty please?

While the rules within public lands are at times sketchy and not to our liking, you have to admit that without the foresight of public lands, most of us would have nowhere to camp. I am glad that we have these places, no matter how bureaucratic and silly some of the laws are. If you want to risk stealth camping, that is your choice, but I think that this thread was to assist the people that respect the law and do not want to get in trouble.

**ikemouser** · 07-05-2013, 11:37

Originally Posted by halfastronomical

Even if i say pretty please?

While the rules within public lands are at times sketchy and not to our liking, you have to admit that without the foresight of public lands, most of us would have nowhere to camp. I am glad that we have these places, no matter how bureaucratic and silly some of the laws are. If you want to risk stealth camping, that is your choice, but I think that this thread was to assist the people that respect the law and do not want to get in trouble.

I disagree that most of us would have nowhere to camp without a monopoly of force. Land is better protected when it is privately owned, do you maintain your property or just let it rot? People will rarely trash their own property, but they will often trash "public property" because of the way government has muddled property rights. If those lands are to be protected, private supporters can pool their funds and purchase the land to protect it(which I'm sure would be no problem, money could be raised on the grass roots level and the venture capitalist level-Bill Gates could probably buy all the land up himself). Stealing it at gunpoint from people to "protect it" is immoral, if the market desires the land to be protected it will be. Is theft, violence and coercion the only way we can protect important natural areas we care about? I think we can do better and do it voluntarily.

This thread reeks of the sheepish slave mentality most people have nowadays. It's either slaves slapping other slaves down for not submitting to the tyrants or slaves trying to find out how to submit. I don't blame you, the state is willing to fine you for victimless crimes, arrest you if you don't pay the fine and kill you if you resist being kidnapped and caged for not paying the fine.

I respect the natural law, not the man made law.

**angrysparrow** · 07-05-2013, 11:42

This tangent has absolutely nothing to do with the original purpose of this thread. Knock off the chest-beating attitudes and get back to the topic please.

**Jcavenagh** · 07-05-2013, 12:28

I think Mr. Thames, of California SP really did not understand what is being asked. It seems Mr. Thames is addressing the Saturday afternoon, lounging in the back yard, knotted cord sort of hammock. A lot of us have seen these types of units affixed to trees with rope or even screwed in eyes. It is completely understandable why the CSP system would not want those. The answer cites several sections of regulations which are inapplcable to the issue presented. This highlights the lack of understanding that many in park management have regarding the hammock camping issue. But a system as large as that in California is going to tend toward a more restrictive interpretation just because they see so many instances of inappropriate park usage.

**iRokk** · 07-05-2013, 12:34

Jcavenagh I think you may have been right n your assessment. They still don't understand that some of us crazy people have special set-ups designed to actually sleep in comfort.

**halfastronomical** · 07-06-2013, 13:21

While we do not have the word in from the head honcho, we have had no problems with hammock camping in Alabama. I know for a fact that it is OK at DeSoto State Park and Guntersville State Park, and I have camped without asking in other parks with no issues. The word that I got from those superintendents is to call and ask each park before you visit for now. We are working with DSP to have hammock making/camping classes there again in the fall and we hope the other Alabama State Parks will join in. Hopefully I can provide an official word when we get one in. As it stands, there is nothing PREVENTING the use of hammocks, but there is no OFFICIAL word involving hammocks specifically.

**Mumbles** · 07-06-2013, 14:42

I have gratefully read the totality of this thread and subscribed. Thanks to the organizers and contributors. I will commit to learn more and positively represent hangers so as to convince WA tO embrace the properly hung camping hammock.

**rockroot=:-(** · 07-06-2013, 15:07

I will be in the Adirondacks next week with my Brother and his son car camping at a "tent" site only State run campground. I will bring two 18"x4" strips of foam I cut from a floor mat used to protect floors in a gym. I plan to double wrap my webbing over these and am hoping that any DEC Rangers that come by will see I have made a 100% effort to leave no trace or cause the trees any harm. As I write this I also think it is a good idea to bring extra and donate a stack of pre-cut pieces to the front desk folks at the campsite office. I will too, have a tent and all the fix'ns in my car, just in case though.
Rock On!!!!!

**nyhiker50** · 07-07-2013, 14:29

I think I'll get this back on track. What's up with New York? There does not seem to be an answer. Is the jury still out on that or are they afraid to give an answer? Are they waiting for Albany? That could take forever so I'll just take out the trusty tree huggers and hang away.