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    New Member freak.for.nature's Avatar
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    Once I go top quilt...?

    I never thought I would join the masses choosing a top quilt, but here I am, nervous yet excited, looking for a little bit of friendly advice. I started by trying to find any insulation system light, warm, and cheap. A sleeping bag barely made my final list of five items. This is where you come in... Everything is pretty close, and I am really leaning towards the HG Burrow, but I am concerned about some top quilt issues...
    1. I am known to sleepwalk, I always thought the sleeping bag did good at tucking me away and dissuading unconscious me to do this in the backwoods. Maybe my hammock will be okay by itself?
    2. I'm a super cold sleeper. Definitely need the 0 degree bag, but wondering if anyone gets a cold bottom or if it is uncomfortable to sleep directly on the sleeping pad.
    3. Is it possible to burrito-roll into the top quilt, or does that defeat the purpose?
    4. I live in Oregon, and it is rather humid sometimes, is there any protective measures I can take? Are there certain fabrics that are best for humid places?

    Well, here's the list of potentials and my scale for rating (lots of time on my hand during spring break, you see!)

    Sleeping Bags:

    ZPacks: 10 degree, $390, 900 fill, 19.8 ounces. (Bonus: water resistant down) http://www.zpacks.com/quilts/sleepingbag.shtml

    Quilts:

    Enlightened Equipment: Revelation, 0 degrees, $350, 850 fill, 27.75 oz. (1.7 lbs) (Bonus: can be used as an underquilt)
    http://www.enlightenedequipment.com/.../revelation-0/

    Hammock Gear: Burrow, 0 degrees, $254, 900 fill, 26.04 oz. (1.6 lbs.) http://www.hammockgear.com/burrow-0/

    Jacks R Better: Old Rag Mtn: 10 degrees, $290, 800 fill, 25 oz. (1.5 lbs) (Bonus: water resistant down) http://www.jacksrbetter.com/shop/old...ngular-quilts/

    Underground Quilts: Flight Jacket: 0 degrees, $254, 850 fill, 28.5 oz. (1.8 lbs.) http://www.undergroundquilts.com/TQ-0.htm

    Warmest to Coolest:
    +2 Enlightened Equipment Revelation (0), Hammock Gear Burrow (0), Underground Quilts, Flight Jacket (0)
    +3 Zpacks (10), Jacks R Better Old Rag Mtn (10)

    Cheap to Expensive:
    +1 Hammock Gear Burrow ($254), Underground Quilts Flight Jacket ($254)
    + 1 Jacks R Better Old Rag Mtn ($290)
    +2 Enlightened Equipment Revelation ($350)
    +2 Zpacks ($390)

    High Fill to Low:
    +1 Zpacks (900), Hammock Gear Burrow (900)
    +2 Enlightened Equipment Revelation (850), Underground Quilts Flight Jacket (850)
    +3 Jacks R Better (800)

    Low Weight to High:
    +1 Zpacks (19.8)
    +1 Jacks R Better Old Rag Mtn. (25)
    +2 Hammock Gear Burrow (26.04)
    +2 Enlightened Equipment Revelation (27.75)
    +2 Underground Quilts Flight Jacket (28.5)

    Logistic Score (low wins):4-13
    Hammock Gear Burrow: 6
    Underground Quilts Flight Jacket: 7
    Zpacks: 8
    Enlightened Equipment Revelation: 8
    Jacks R Better Old Rag Mtn: 8
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    Senior Member OneThing's Avatar
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    Try to Find a Hammock Hang

    One of the best things you can do is find a Hammock Hang in your area. You'll learn more in a weekend with a group of hangers than a month here, depending on how much time you have to do the research. You can check here to see if something is near and upcoming. Hammock Hangs West Coast

    I'm sure there will be a lot of answers here as well for you.

    The one thing to remember is that there are a lot of factors which go into cold weather hammock hanging. You can have a 0° f TQ and still freeze your butt off in 20°f temps.

    I have a 20°f Burrow. It might be on the low end of price, but on the high end of quality. I have 2oz of overfill, and with my setup would be fine down to 0°F.
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    I agree with OneThing, you need to go to a local hang or at least find some other hangers in your area. They can help you decide on what you need for hanging in your area. You didn't say, but may I ask what you are using for an underquilt? An underquilt should be rated at the same temp as your top quilt or lower. In other words you can use a 20* or 0* underquilt and use say a 20* or a 40* top quilt. But it doesn't work the other way around.

    There are many fine cottage industry vendors here on HF that are capable of making whatever gear you want or need. I only have experience with Hammock Gear quilts however. I have a 20* set and a 40* set. I really love them, they are fantastic. The craftsmanship is great and there's no need to carry a pad.

    As for your sleep walking, I don't know what to tell you. Maybe you need something with the bug netting made into the hammock such as a warbonnet blackbird. I figure if you're all zipped in, you can't get out to go wondering around while you are asleep?

    I don't know if any of this helps you or not but I sincerely hope so. But the best advice is to do what OneThing suggested, go to some local hangs or at least find some other local hammock hangers to give you a hand. Good luck in your pursuits.
    Hello from Lookout Mountain in N.E. Alabama,home of Little River Canyon National Preserve- The deepest gorge East of the Mississippi.

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    Sorry, Just saw you are using pads for insulation under you. Missed that the first go round.
    Hello from Lookout Mountain in N.E. Alabama,home of Little River Canyon National Preserve- The deepest gorge East of the Mississippi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bama Man View Post

    There are many fine cottage industry vendors here on HF that are capable of making whatever gear you want or need. I only have experience with Hammock Gear quilts however. I have a 20* set and a 40* set. I really love them, they are fantastic. The craftsmanship is great and there's no need to carry a pad.
    I have a Hammock Gear 0* underquilt and a 20* top quilt. I use a thin fleece liner, because I like the feel of it, vs. sleeping on bare nylon.

    Hammock Gear is great, and with the combination, I dropped a pound from my pack, because I'm not carrying the sleeping bag now. The top quilt if half the size/weight of my bag. In winter I can use my ENO instead of the hennessy (no bug net!) and save a little more weight.
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    Over Cover Protector

    Quote Originally Posted by freak.for.nature View Post
    4. I live in Oregon, and it is rather humid sometimes, is there any protective measures I can take? Are there certain fabrics that are best for humid places?
    I use this at times. I got it from JRB back in 2005. It's an overquilt protector. @ 7ozs. It's made of material close to that of DriDucks. It's very breathable, but keeps the water out. Here's a picture of it on the back side.


    Over Protector-1 by One Thing AT, on Flickr

    It adds about 5° to 7° to your sleep system as well. I live in N. California & I've hung in some thick fog. Also used it on the AT in the winter with heavy rain. There were morning where those who slept in shelters had wet bags from the heavy fog, but I was out hanging in it and had a dry bag.
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    Hee! But going to hangs means I'd have to meet people. There are reasons why I lurk in the dark recesses of the Internet! Heh... I supposed getting outside my comfort zone is for the best, the momentum of motivation is primarily due to the fact that I am going on three trips this term, the soonest in 3 weeks (school is hard!).
    My 0 degree synthetic bag doesn't cut it and I'd appreciate rest as I'll be venturing forth in the name of science!
    But I digress...
    I just checked out the JRB site and it looks like they discontinued those babies--what are they made of? I'm known to be handy with a needle and thread and I have a local candy---errr-outdoor fabric shop I frequent for my rugged crafting needs.
    I really love the plethora of cottage industries! I got a MacCat a couple months ago and just love the workmanship and patriotism of stateside creations. I can't help but imagine the owners as the Betsy Ross' of the hammocking community.
    Thank you for your advice! I am not overly concerned about the sleepwalking-- just curious how other affected parasomniacs deal with it. Presently working on a hammock with a detachable bug net, never thought it could come in handy that way.

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    Microporous Polypropylene

    Quote Originally Posted by freak.for.nature View Post
    Hee! But going to hangs means I'd have to meet people. There are reasons why I lurk in the dark recesses of the Internet! Heh...
    Going to a hang will open a whole new world. Plus, it will prevent you from ending up on a reality TV program, such as Hoarders, Pawn Stars, Ax Men & 16 & Pregnant. Hmm, I'm looking over the member list..... Well, if your over 16, the last one for sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by freak.for.nature View Post
    I just checked out the JRB site and it looks like they discontinued those babies--what are they made of? I'm known to be handy with a needle and thread and I have a local candy---errr-outdoor fabric shop I frequent for my rugged crafting needs.
    I had to go back to an old forum I was a part of to find some old posts going back to 2004. It's Microporous Polypropylene. For fun, hold your tongue and try and say that backwards. (If you do go to a Hang, I suggest not doing it as part of the Talent Show)

    I think JRB could not longer find it, which is one of the reasons they quit making them.

    However, finding the same material for DriDucks, might lead you to someone who sells it by the yard and not the train load.

    There are two types of DriDucks material. One is very thin, and would work fine. More than likely, even lighter than Microporous Polypropylene. Or as I say it, 'Enelyporpylop Suorioicim'
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    And don't forget your hot water bottle. Great for keeping toasty.

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    Get a Small Dog

    Quote Originally Posted by siskiyousummit View Post
    And don't forget your hot water bottle. Great for keeping toasty.
    Get a small dog instead. They bark louder at bears & things that go bump in the night.
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