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    Quote Originally Posted by bkrgi View Post
    Here is my take on the problem.
    I consider all my UQ's good for 10f above the rating
    Cinch the UQ tight and I do mean tight.....With my UGQ quilts they have a cord lock, that cord lock will slip, tie a knot to prevent that. Just don't over cinch things so when you get in and out of the hammock your not over doing the stress on the cordage etc.
    Biggest gain to prevent cold spots is to stack quilts ie a 0* and 40* to push the comfort level further...it really does help fill voids. 40* goes inside the 0.
    The pad kinda would do the same thing by adding more insulation value to the mix....I just get really concerned with moisture condensating within but that's the whole VB discussion problem solving.

    I still don't know the low end of stacking the 0 and 20 quilts but -35c/-30f is getting close.... I'm going to say -35F without adding more clothing layers to my equation. Safety wise going for -40 I would add in my 40* quilts and figure good for -50 to -60f...but then for -40 I think I would add more layers to self to make up the difference cause pee breaks at them temps are frosty hahhaha

    Also Them temps are not for screwing around in as things can go completely sideways in minutes...if anyone goes for it really know your gear and practice it before escaping into the wilds.... and a hot tent is a must IMO...warmth and drying things is of utmost importance. Without a hot tent your getting serious and need to be on your A game to survive multiple nights.....
    One thing to keep in mind, especially when keeping the legs warm, re: condensation on pads like some folks get, and some get it real bad: Shug has always used his TR sit pad as a leg pad INSIDE the foot box of his TQ. He reports zero condensation with that set up. Which makes perfect sense, as the pad is kept much warmer inside the UQ foot box compared to outside. Which means much less chance of the pad reaching the dew point at which condensation will start happening.

    The other thing, which probably won't ever apply to most folks: I have used pads at 18F with no condensation issues, as well as on "cooler" nights in summer adding a torso sized CCF pad to the pad pocket of my JRB BMBH when my back gets cold about 0500. Again, no condensation problems then, so far. But I probably won't eve get any condensation on any pad at any temp, because of my tendency to sleep in VB clothing when it is pretty cold. If I do get any, it will be confined inside my close to skin VB clothes. Or at least, so far always has been. But, you never know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyBob58 View Post
    One thing to keep in mind, especially when keeping the legs warm, re: condensation on pads like some folks get, and some get it real bad: Shug has always used his TR sit pad as a leg pad INSIDE the foot box of his TQ. He reports zero condensation with that set up. Which makes perfect sense, as the pad is kept much warmer inside the UQ foot box compared to outside. Which means much less chance of the pad reaching the dew point at which condensation will start happening.

    The other thing, which probably won't ever apply to most folks: I have used pads at 18F with no condensation issues, as well as on "cooler" nights in summer adding a torso sized CCF pad to the pad pocket of my JRB BMBH when my back gets cold about 0500. Again, no condensation problems then, so far. But I probably won't eve get any condensation on any pad at any temp, because of my tendency to sleep in VB clothing when it is pretty cold. If I do get any, it will be confined inside my close to skin VB clothes. Or at least, so far always has been. But, you never know.
    Props to you BillyBob for all the effort you have put into the VB testing and posting of results.
    For anyone interested in cold weather moisture management using Vapour Barrier's you must follow BillyBob posts on the subject....something to really consider if cold camping for extended trips.
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