Is there a video of the z liner or a review of it?

**Bradley** · 06-01-2011, 20:17

Originally Posted by waddy

Fantastic, I've been wanting to explore this system as well.

Ok thanks for the reminder . . .

. . . it will take a couple of hours . . . I'll let you know when it is up

**NewtonGT** · 06-01-2011, 20:44

ready to see this thing

**Bradley** · 06-01-2011, 23:01

OK so here it is . . . unrehearsed

And I noticed that I have been around my wife tooooooo long
and say ZEEEE liner instead of Zed-Liner

I am so embarassed

**NewtonGT** · 06-02-2011, 00:39

wonderful video. I had wondered for awhile how this thing looked. and it seems you got great results out of it. also like the homemade pads. they look great. I really appreciate the video man. I honestly mean it when I say you should send this thing to clark. Im sure they would like it also

**DemostiX** · 06-02-2011, 00:49

Thanks for making the video and showing these.

If you had limited the video to 30 seconds, and showed your pads* compared to the Clarks Z-liner, I would have the same impression I got from almost 10 minutes of video: I want a Clark Z-liner like I want to pay the dealer $1200 for the car stereo next time I'm shopping for one of those vehicles.

*Six thin polyester pillows and a triangle of uninsulated nylon fabric to Velcro over the foot end? That's all of the "Z-liner" system?

With summer coming on (in the lands well north of Oz), tarps movable from one hammock to another, and the same money spent:

Do I want to buy and try a Warbonnet (for example) or JRB Bridge, and plan to run a sewing machine head past 6 measured sections of a cheap and cheerful sleeping bag;
or
Do I want to buy a "Z liner"?

**DemostiX** · 06-02-2011, 01:44

Apologies; an asterisk was in the wrong place in my previous post.

Bradley's seven home-made pads insulate the entire bottom. Clark's "Z liner" pads do not fill the pockets at all, being rather thin; and where Bradley had insulated the lower triangle, the last 1/4 that 3/4 UQs do not, the Clark "system" doesn't even try, offering just a triangle of fabric, a tack-on seventh loose pocket.

**NewtonGT** · 06-02-2011, 01:58

I do believe he did upgrade the system quite a bit. im sure if he felt his feet needed it he would have a small pad shaped to fit in the triangle

**Bradley** · 06-02-2011, 06:56

Hey guys, just so you know,
The triangle foot part is insulated the same as the pads.

If you had limited the video to 30 seconds, . . . I would have the same impression I got from almost 10 minutes of video

Kinda like Ludwig van Beethoven . . . He just used to many notes,
woulda been better if it was shorter . . .

. . . Clark's "Z liner" pads do not fill the pockets at all, being rather thin; . . . offering just a triangle of fabric, a tack-on seventh loose pocket.

Their intent wasn't to fill the pockets
Your comment "offering just a triangle of fabric" is inacurate,
it is just as insulated as the pads.

FYI - your general attitude just afforded you a place on my ignore list
(yea . . . that is all it takes . . . )

My guess is that Clark wasn't intending to take anyone to subarctic temps.
only through a cooler night . . .

The rest of you . . . thanks for your kind words.

**plaunius** · 06-02-2011, 07:08

Good one Bradley. I've not tried flipping my NX over to put the Z-liner on but that makes perfect sense.

I do just as you do, once the liner is installed, it stays there all season. No need to take it on/off each time you hang.

**Bradley** · 06-02-2011, 07:22

Originally Posted by plaunius

Good one Bradley. . . once the liner is installed, it stays there all season. . .

Thanks . . .

Plus I think in the summer on iffy days/nights I will take the pocket pads along in a different stuff sack.
but leave the foot end at home . . . They don't have much weight and pack down small enough . . .