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    Couldn't you just lay your rat out upside down on the floor and make a template that way? I think you can buy that brown shipping paper in 60" width; I'd get some of that and cut a pattern.

    I don't know what to tell you about packing it. I'm still trying to figure the best way to pack my wallyworld blue pad; stupid thing!

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    The best way to pack a pad is to leave it at home and bring an underquilt.

    Seriously there's a reason why its either used as part of the pack suspension in ultralight packs or you see them rolled up and tied on the outside. They really are bulky and awkward.

    That's why I'm leaning towards underquilts. They are more packable.
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    OH.... Still new to this insulation thing...

    I can use either the UQ OR the pad, but I dont need both?

    I was looking at the pad idea after seeing some of the photos of what others were trying to make by adding the "wings" on pads to wrap around and cover more area than the standard width pad...

    For now, the pad is cheap. I really would like to get a down UQ, but its $$$!
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    I use a 60 X 40 X 1/4" Oware pad in my Hennessy. There's some nice benefits from that extra width; additional insulation and wind block as it cups around the shoulders. I also find that the Oware I use doesn't slip in the hammock...part of that may be the foam's characteristics but I think much of the non-slippage can be attributed to the size of the pad...there's no place for it to go. In any case, I never wrestle with the pad to keep it in place. With my sleep system, the pad can get me to the mid-20s before I feel cold coming through, YMMV.

    But its bulk and packing issues are a real bummer. For the longest time I had no other solution than a big roll of foam hanging off the outside of my pack. But some years ago, Santa brought me a LuxuryLite pack. The pad is easily folded and inserted into an extra-large cylinder and, once it unfolds/expands to fill the space of the cylinder, there's lots of room for the hammock and other stuff.

    Oware's pad is a Plastizote cross linked closed cell foam. They no longer offer a 1/4" thickness but their 3/16" offering saves an ounce and no doubt helps a little with the packing issue.

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    Yes, UQs are way better comfort wise IMO. But, as much as I dislike the pads, they do have their uses and they are light for the warmth provided. I'm planning to use a combination of the two on my thru; a torso UQ and folded pad for the legs. I can always unfold the pad for those really cold nights and use it in concert with the UQ to stay nice and toasty.

    But, yeah the bulk is a huge trade-off. I roll mine into a tube and put inside my Catalyst. There is still room for the rest of my load (barely) and it does add another layer in the fight against wet. It requires me to really pay attention when loading my pack; I can't just toss stuff in there anymore, I actually have to 'pack'.

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    You won't NEED both... Its your call if you want both. Like Cannibal.

    I'm still working on a "system" but I don't like the pad in the hammock feel. So I'm leaning away from that. With proper work I think I can get away without anything like that.
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    I agree with Rapt, with the right UQ or pod type thing you should be just fine without a pad. I wouldn't carry one on a normal hike, but grams is grams on a thru.

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    I just ordered 1.5 yds of this stuff....
    Shipping actually cost more than the material did.
    Should be fun to use for different insulation experiments.

    Thanks for the info.
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    When I use an underquilt (JRB Nest) at temps around 40 or lower, I would never think of not bringing a pad for added insulation if needed. Better safe than sorry.
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    Or you could bring a warmer under quilt.... I personally see pads as POOR insulation for weight/bulk options as compared to a good down quilt.
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