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    I'm fed up with pads!

    Another report for Newbs like myself.
    I got my Blackbird last week during a warm spell and was able to sleep in it without any bottom insulation. It was great, the fabric will hold you in any position. Kinda like a dial on a compass, you can turn your body bit by bit, 10, 20, 30 degrees, not just a straight 45 degrees on your side, the fabric will hold you in what ever position you want.
    Since then it has gotten cold again, about 39 degrees at night, and I've use different stuff in between the sheets. Using a 1/2 " foam pad is the best for warmth but the worst for comfort! The foam becomes ridged under your body weight producing pressure points, and you end up tossing and turning throughout the night anyways
    Using thick blankets work but they keep shifting around, and eventually a part of your body is off of the blanket and it feels like its on a block of ice. And I was wearing my sleeping bag as a sleeping bag and not as a top quilt.
    I can't wait till I get a underquilt.
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    UQ's really are a great solution to warmth , comfort, compactability etc. I've got a Yeti3 and its great.
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    pads rock in a double bottom hammockneo
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    How come the pad crumples?

    I have never had a pad do this.

    does this happen in double layer blackbirds?

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    I agree with Fireflyburns. I find that a closed cell pad crumples and won't move around as you change positions and you can't slide it to where it needs to be...When you use an underquilt, you just lay in the hammock with nothing under you on the inside? I've got an old Northface Big Kazoo down sleeping bag that was always too big for me. I was thinking of making an underquilt out of it. Any ideas? (This sounds like I'm highjacking this thread. Didn't mean to!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by turnerminator View Post
    How come the pad crumples?

    I have never had a pad do this.

    does this happen in double layer blackbirds?
    Probably depends on the thickness of the pad. Problem is you're taking a reasonably rigid item and trying to bend it into a curved shape.

    Pads work but there's no doubt UQ's are more comfortable.
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    cut a long pad in half

    Don't know if this helps, but after I ordered an underquilt I cut my long thermarest in half to use one half under my feet. Then I decided to go camping before the uq arrived. I took the other half of the pad with me & discovered that it is much easier to adjust 2 smaller pads, as one end can be slightly off & not affect the other end, and it requires much less in-hammock yoga skill to adjust. I'm 5'8, so I can overlap the halves to prevent cold spots, and the overlap is below my butt, so it is not noticeable. I still like the uq better, but will take the 2nd half of the pad as well when the weather is extremely cold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knotty View Post
    Probably depends on the thickness of the pad. Problem is you're taking a reasonably rigid item and trying to bend it into a curved shape.

    Pads work but there's no doubt UQ's are more comfortable.
    I didn't think of a difference in the pad thickness, that may explain it somewhat.
    I don't use an u/q because I need to have the option of sleeping on the wet and treeless UK ground.
    Add to that my non breathable DD travel, negating the breathability benefit of an U/Q, and it seems a bit pointless.

    I don't dispute the superiority of an u/q at all, its just that ive never found any of my ccf pads (1/8" thick) ruckling up at all. Not once.

    I am curious as to why this happens to others, as Im just about to add myself to the BB owners list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neo View Post
    pads rock in a double bottom hammockneo
    NO WAY....i hate them in a Dbl bottom hammock...
    UQ are the way to go
    It puts the Underquilt on it's hammock ... It does this whenever it gets cold

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