amstell or zing it suitable for regular knots?

[planenut]

So I see uses for Amsteel and zing it for Whoopie slings and continuous loops but…

Is it suitable to secure things by tying them with regular knots? Truckers hitch etc. for securing items in a truck bed or whatever?

Thanks,

[Phantom Grappler]

For me, Samson ZingIt 2.2 is easier to tie and untie knots than Samson ZingIt 1.75
In camp I use 2.2 ZingIt tarp guy lines and tarp ridgeline.
I use Siberian hitch to tie tarp guy line to trees, when available, rather than stakes.
Siberian hitches can elongate or get looser, especially if not tightened.
After I tie Siberian hitch, I add three stitches of daisy chain, to stabilize knot and keep it from slipping.
When breaking camp, one yank on “rip cord” and whole hitch is easily undone.

My tarp ridgeline is tied to trees with a tensionless hitch finished with one half hitch and then a slipped half hitch, and then three stitches of daisy chain.
This holds a taut tarp ridgeline and when breaking camp is easily untied and never jams.

Phantom Grapplers Recommended Ties part 1 and part 2 show these knots-hitches on YouTube.

I tie diamond knots in amsteel. These must be carefully tightened and only then finished by tightened again with body weight—before using in hammock suspension.
I hardly ever use temporary camp knots in hammock suspension. When I get in my hammock, an amsteel knot can slide on itself and cause rope burn. This is when amsteel has turned black and started to melt due to friction as it slides on itself while knot tightens.

Good luck

[Phantom Grappler]

In some of my EARLY videos, I tied a single amsteel suspension line from tree strap to continuous loop on hammock.
Tree strap end can be a larks head.
Amsteel to amsteel connection at hammock continuous loop was a big fail!
The amsteel would slide on itself when I got in hammock. It didn’t have to slide much as the knot tightened—rope burn—black amsteel was result.

My amsteel was burnt by friction as amsteel slid across amsteel.

If your suspension is a bit too short to reach two trees, MAYBE, this will work—Join two lengths of amsteel or amsteel and tree strap with:
Slipped Zeppelin bend

You and your friends have selected a campsite.
Your trees are one step too far apart for your suspension to reach. You have the extra amsteel or tree strap—but you’ve forgotten how to tie slipped Zeppelin bend. That’s ok, just proof you are human and have a life.
Tie a knot you already know—marlin spike hitch!!!
In your palm (facing up) put both ropes (or rope and strap) in palm parallel to each other.
Short or loose ends dangling off pinky finger side of palm.
Long ends that connect to tree and hammock extend off pointer finger side of palm.
Tie marlin spike hitch with both parallel strands and insert a strong crushproof toggle.
Hand tighten before loading with body weight.

Test these for yourself, to see if they will work for you, before getting in piney woods.
Good luck

[Phantom Grappler]

If you use amsteel to tie down gear on pickup truck or small trailer with a truckers hitch——
You can secure truckers hitch with these in order:
Half hitch
Slipped half hitch
Three stitches of daisy chain or monkey braid
A fourth stitch of daisy chain with final stitch going through not slipped—to lock it in.

Probably better to use ropes that are not amsteel for securing a load that will be on highways. Maybe a rope that is not as slippery, that has a rougher texture, less likely to slip.

We use what we got
Be careful

[planenut]

Thanks!

I will check out your videos... The last response is probably what I was looking for. I have paracord and tie downs but was trying to have an excuse to use Amsteel instead and have some on stock. was mainly wondering if it was too slick for truck tie down purposes.

Thanks again!

[P-Dub]

... was mainly wondering if it was too slick for truck tie down purposes.

Short answer = yes! Amsteel is not good at handling normal knots.

[SilvrSurfr]

If you like knots (and I don't), then it's a bit ridiculous to use Amsteel or Zing-It since knots can reduce the strength of the rope by 50 to 70 percent.