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    cougarmeat's Avatar
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    TominMN: > That's what happens when you sit in the UQ!

    It’s a rite of passage.
    In order to see what few have seen, you must go where few have gone. And DO what few have done.

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    I've always found eyeballing it and tweaking works good. Trees will never be perfect so you need to be able to adjust accordingly.

    I set it sit to see the height with weight, then I'll lay down for a few mins, play with the Ridgeline, then I'll get up and adjust a few things and test again.

    No need to get to scientific, more of an art than a science.

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    Senior Member cmoulder's Avatar
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    more of an art than a science

    True!

    Another 'saving grace' is that the structural ridge line (SRL) compensates for a lot of errors by guaranteeing a consistent, correct sag even if the hammock suspension angle is too shallow.

    Some people fiddle with the hang angle until they achieve the "ideal" SRL tension, which is routinely described as being able to "easily" make a 45° bend in the SRL with index finger and thumb. But in fact it can be much tighter than this and the sag will be fine. As long as the anchor points are sturdy and the suspension and SRL have adequately high strength ratings, it simply isn't all that critical.

    It becomes more critical as much lighter weight and lower-rated bits are used. I'm a lot more attentive with 900lb rated webbing that I am with 2000lb rated webbing.





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    Is the index finger/thumb twist test was to be performed with the hammock empty or with a body in the hammock? Was that ever established?
    In order to see what few have seen, you must go where few have gone. And DO what few have done.

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    In time it will just become second nature...and you will care a bit less each night. Always better than on the ground in any case.
    Continue your training and enjoy the hammock quest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cougarmeat View Post
    Is the index finger/thumb twist test was to be performed with the hammock empty or with a body in the hammock? Was that ever established?
    Loaded. And that has been established for many years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonhunter View Post


    Interesting setup. My only hesitation is the low headroom. I'm fine with it for sleeping, but for "hangout space" with my chair in rain/sun I like a bit more clearance.

    Essentially, this setup uses the tarp as a ridgeline it seems..
    At first glance perhaps, but to set the hammock up all that's necessary is to slip the two continuous loops into a pair of Dutch Hooks so there really is no need until you need/want it. Without the hammock I can sit comfortably in my Stansport stool and even cook underneath the tarp safely in bad weather with plenty of room. I'm short though and those concerns might be warranted for taller people.

    Jeremy did a great job with this suspension. You learn to set the tarp with a small amount of slack. The hammock attaches to dutch hooks spliced onto about 6" of Amsteel, which is inturn suspended from the cinch buckle. When the hammock is loaded it provides the proper tension to tighten the DCF RL unlike the problems with the HH style hammock suspensions.

    Using the smaller Hex tarps in UL set ups, for me, almost always requires not only a low pitch to the hammock, but the addition of an UQP in bad weather to ensure the lightest driest set up. I knew this in advance and was pleasantly surprised to find with my hammock still in my pack there was plenty of room underneath the tarp to sit w/o stooping over and being too confined. I down sized from a 12' AHE Toxaway and won't go back for shoulder season anyway.
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    I thought you were always supposed to be trying to find something that you are dissatisfied with to screw with.
    I might have been doing this all wrong.
    This has been my methodology for everything.


    First getting super complex and expensive tools.

    Second more expensive but simpler tools.

    Third "no tool works as well as me" tool less or self made.

    Fourth find new annoyance or revist old one after technological generation.

    我宁愿在山上。

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmcrow2 View Post
    I thought you were always supposed to be trying to find something that you are dissatisfied with to screw with.


    That's the definition of "hobby" isn't it? If I can't fiddle with it, it's not fun!
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    Something about this thread reminds me of the single line suspension, which got some attention a few years back. Just wondering if it might make a bit of a come back?
    If you prepare for failure you will probably succeed.

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