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    Quote Originally Posted by cougarmeat View Post
    >Actually, you would need two decibel meters and two tarps to compare them, and nobody is gonna do that.

    I have a decibel meter and will measure the sound level on a SilNylon, SilPoly and DCF tarp IF a vendor will ship me a DCF tarp (I’ll buy the SilPoly)
    But if you want to keep that DCF tarp a vendor ships you, then the DCF tarp will have to come out quieter!
    "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." Ralph Waldo Emerson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobonli View Post
    No. Everything of better-to-high-quality, regardless of sport, will cost more. The bulk is the only objection I have (I like snakeskins, so the package never gets quite as compact as in Bob's video), but the positive trade is weight and that it doesn't sag as much as other materials when wet.
    If you want to forgo the snakeskins you might be interested in this!
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    I love mine. I cried when the money left my bank account, but it was worth it to me. I cried again when the tent stake holding up my pack rubbed a hole in it overnight, but the great thing about DCF is how easy it is to patch up. It would surely put a dent in resale value, but perish the thought of getting rid of it! I save plenty of money making a lot of my own gear, but there are a few things I leave to those who can do it better, and the DCF tarp was one of them.

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    I can see a CF tarp for a serious hiker but, not for a weekend warrior unless plenty funds. For me it would be wasted money. I haul my gear on motorcycles. I spend about 25-30 night's a year in my hammock. Mostly use a PaHaQue double tarp (cheap light, packs small). Has works great for last 3 years. Have several tarps, 10 or so. 4 Hennessy Hex. Have a Super Fly I use only @ 30° & below. I like the biggest bang for the buck & I don't see the gain for the difference in money for my personal application.

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    I appreciate that silnylon or silpoly pack down to a smaller volume than dyneema. Dyneema might be a few ounces lighter, but my main pack problem is volume more than weight, at that level. Love my silpoly mountainfly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazotster View Post
    I appreciate that silnylon or silpoly pack down to a smaller volume than dyneema. Dyneema might be a few ounces lighter, but my main pack problem is volume more than weight, at that level. Love my silpoly mountainfly.
    It's several ounces lighter and being so, I feel much better shoving it into my large outside mesh pocket than my 12' Sil tarp in skins. I'm looking at both of them side by side. The Toxaway coiled up in snakeskins compared to my 11' DCF Hex in it's HG stuff sack using the cmoulder fold. It is very close to a push. At 14L available space I'll still always take the Hex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolloff View Post
    It's several ounces lighter and being so, I feel much better shoving it into my large outside mesh pocket than my 12' Sil tarp in skins. I'm looking at both of them side by side. The Toxaway coiled up in snakeskins compared to my 11' DCF Hex in it's HG stuff sack using the cmoulder fold. It is very close to a push. At 14L available space I'll still always take the Hex.
    I guess I always thought volume was a bigger threat to my mesh than weight. I also shove my tarp into the mesh, but tearing the mesh by overstretching it with a large tarp seems more of a threat than the few extra ounces. Silpoly or silnylon clearly pack down smaller. HYOH and all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mazotster View Post
    I guess I always thought volume was a bigger threat to my mesh than weight. I also shove my tarp into the mesh, but tearing the mesh by overstretching it with a large tarp seems more of a threat than the few extra ounces. Silpoly or silnylon clearly pack down smaller. HYOH and all.


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    Indeed HYOH

    Volume IS huge when concerning UL set ups. Just not as much as weight. If it doesn't fit in a 14L pack, you can't carry it. If the weight penalty is too much you don't carry it regardless.
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    Mine is a bit old, it’s an eleven footer. Every time I hav used it, it has served me well. Time passed and longer ridge lines were attractive and as others have said, it is very bulky to pack. It languishes in my gear room, waiting for that time I will need its light weight again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old4hats View Post
    Mine is a bit old, it’s an eleven footer. Every time I hav used it, it has served me well. Time passed and longer ridge lines were attractive and as others have said, it is very bulky to pack. It languishes in my gear room, waiting for that time I will need its light weight again.
    If busting the budget with regard to DCF volume is the problem, IMVHO it pays to consider some other approaches that tackle it head on. If you're satisfied with 'this is how we've always done it' and aren't willing to break away from the herd, then you simply accept the limitations and live with them.

    With DCF, snakeskins are a volume hog. DCF by its nature — being a stiff plastic material — doesn't 'like' to be stuffed or scrunched, and when you force the issue it creates thousands of little micro-wrinkles and air pockets that are responsible for all that excess volume.

    If, on the other hand, you fold and roll the tarp it takes up much less space. I do a zig-zag fold at the ridge line, then roll the tarp toward the edges which expels all the air as I roll, finally rolling the ridge- and guy lines around the tarp. It stuffs easily back into its original stuff sack with room to spare, and it has the added benefit of reducing tangling to almost nil.

    BUT people love snake skins because they make the tarp quick to deploy and easy to keep out of the way when lounging in the hammock on a nice day or for stargazing, yet ready to pitch quickly if bad weather threatens. Recently I've been using a technique that dispenses with the snakeskins but still permits very quick tarp deployment. You simply pitch the tarp, remove the stakes (or slip off the guy lines) from one end and gather the tarp panels at the other end and wrap them in shock cord. Re-deploying the tarp takes less than a minute.

    Having done many trips with 28-36 liter packs, I can say definitively that a DCF tarp needn't be a deal breaker.

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    Tarp retracted, no snakeskins:
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    Tarp in stuff sack, about 1.5 liter volume:
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    Last edited by cmoulder; 03-26-2022 at 09:38.
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