PA: West Rim Trail, October 8-11, 2021

**CVKealey** · 07-21-2021, 19:00

Anyone up for hiking the WRT in early October? I'm hoping for some decent fall foliage, but might be a little early for that.

**Porkroll** · 07-22-2021, 09:43

Sounds like a great trip! Right now I’m planning to hike the NJ section of the AT, from High Point SP to NY state line, the same week. But I will keep this in mind if things fall through.

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**CVKealey** · 07-22-2021, 17:52

Originally Posted by Porkroll

Sounds like a great trip! Right now I’m planning to hike the NJ section of the AT, from High Point SP to NY state line, the same week. But I will keep this in mind if things fall through.

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Full disclosure: I was also hoping for a fellow hanger to avoid having to use the shuttle service from Pine Creek Outfitters.

**SilvrSurfr** · 07-22-2021, 23:29

Originally Posted by CVKealey

Full disclosure: I was also hoping for a fellow hanger to avoid having to use the shuttle service from Pine Creek Outfitters.

I don't remember the shuttle as being all that horrible (other than the cost). It's about 45 minutes, as I recall. Sometimes shuttles make sense, and in this case, I think it does.

We had a nice burger and a couple of beers waiting for the shuttle (or after the shuttle - I don't remember).

**CVKealey** · 07-23-2021, 05:02

Originally Posted by SilvrSurfr

I don't remember the shuttle as being all that horrible (other than the cost). It's about 45 minutes, as I recall. Sometimes shuttles make sense, and in this case, I think it does.

We had a nice burger and a couple of beers waiting for the shuttle (or after the shuttle - I don't remember).

It's mostly the cost. I'm cheap

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**Crash** · 07-25-2021, 12:02

Last time I did the WRT I hiked up to the Pine Creek outfitters on Rte 6 and rented a kayak. They dropped me out and I kayaked back. I then rented a bike and pedaled down the Gorge. The Outfitters picked up the bike.

It was great.

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**SilvrSurfr** · 07-26-2021, 01:22

Originally Posted by CVKealey

It's mostly the cost. I'm cheap

Well I certainly don't remember it being cheap - I think it was between $45 and $60 one way. Unfortunately, the shuttle just made the most sense compared to other plans.

I've done a lot of shuttles where I can involve others and park cars at one end of the route, then travel back to the cars on the other end of the route. It costs nothing (theoretically), but you spend a lot of time shuttling - some of my trips have taken a couple of hours in shuttle time alone. That's before you even start hiking, canoeing, kayaking or whatever it is you do. If the start point is 45 minutes from the end-point, then that's 1.5 hours in shuttle time just to start the trip.

It really gets complicated with canoes or kayaks - it's virtually impossible to do any type of trip without incurring the cost of a shuttle, or the cost of driving back and forth to get all the watercraft on their respective vehicles.

Think about it: you show up at a river and you've got four cars and four watercraft. So you drop off all the watercraft and then drive a couple of cars to the end-point, and then drive back to the start-point. When you finally paddle to the end-point, now you gotta drive back to the start-point, and retrieve whatever vehicles remain (at least one). So that's a lot of trips back and forth to accomplish all that.

**CVKealey** · 07-26-2021, 21:46

Yeah, I know how that goes. We did a 16 mile section of the AT (Wind Gap PA to Delaware Water Gap) with 15 scouts and 8 leaders/adults. We spent a total of 4-5 hours shuttling vehicles back and forth.

I think it's now $40 for 1-2 passengers, but no break for singles. If I had another couple more vacation days to burn, I'd just hike both ways.

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**cmoulder** · 07-27-2021, 10:05

Originally Posted by CVKealey

Yeah, I know how that goes. We did a 16 mile section of the AT (Wind Gap PA to Delaware Water Gap) with 15 scouts and 8 leaders/adults. We spent a total of 4-5 hours shuttling vehicles back and forth.

I think it's now $40 for 1-2 passengers, but no break for singles. If I had another couple more vacation days to burn, I'd just hike both ways.

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As you know, nearly all of the great views are on the north end, so maybe park there and hike in 10, 15 or 20 miles and then back out.

**cmoulder** · 07-27-2021, 10:12

Also, on very nice fall weekends there's usually a ton of people parking at Rattlesnake Rock and shuttling back north so maybe you could hitch a ride with somebody.

I know, hope isn't a great strategy but it might work.