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    Quote Originally Posted by Ldog View Post
    the number of bear problems we read about lately seems to bear that out.
    I see what you did there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hang Williams View Post
    I see what you did there.
    Too obvious?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ldog View Post

    Bears that have become habituated to humans in areas like the GSMNP are a danger to themselves and us. And the places they get that way are in the big, popular parks, close to trail crossings, where day-hikers tread. I never camp within range of day-hikers and overnighters for all kinds of reasons, and the number of bear problems we read about lately seems to bear that out.


    Humans that have become habituated to areas like the GSMNP are a danger to themselves, Us, and the Bears.
    And the places they get that way are in the big, popular parks, close to trail crossings, where day-hikers tread. I never camp within range of day-hikers and overnighters for all kinds of reasons, and the number of bear problems we read about lately seems to bear that out

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    Humans have literally quadrupled population in 100 years. There's only one party to blame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneClick View Post
    Humans have literally quadrupled population in 100 years. There's only one party to blame.
    QFT.
    There's too many of us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneClick View Post
    Humans have literally quadrupled population in 100 years. There's only one party to blame.
    That’s quite a bearish sentiment on humanity there

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    Quote Originally Posted by HandyRandy View Post
    That’s quite a bearish sentiment on humanity there
    If we had 1/10 the human population there would still be hungry bears and coon and rats and other critters looking for an easy meal left out by humans that draw them in. You can't fix stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowrider View Post
    If we had 1/10 the human population there would still be hungry bears and coon and rats and other critters looking for an easy meal left out by humans that draw them in. You can't fix stupid.
    I agree. I wasnÂ’t really trying to make that point. Maybe a little. But mostly I like to get that population jab in now and then.

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    Sad to see this. I agree with those talking about abuse and overuse as an explanatory factor. During COVID, the areas I frequent have only seen an uptick in visitor traffic.

    Sidebar: I'm seeing trashed backcountry sites at a level I've never witnessed in my life. In addition to trash and overuse I've seen fireworks, bonfires, and even parties looking for fights. This is an area 2 days from the nearest trailhead, where multiple portages tend to keep out the riffraff. Some of my friends recently invested in bear barrels, anticipating more bear encounters as a result of this uptick and some of the behavior we witnessed. (We typically hang our food and have never had negative bear encounters.) I wonder if increased visitor traffic is likewise responsible for the uptick in bear attacks in Alaska, my old stomping grounds.

    Habitat encroachment and habitualization are big issues with wildlife. But it is absolutely sobering to see it go up, in magnitudes, in just one year. I am delighted to see how many respectful users are turning to wilderness areas these days. This past year has also shown me how fragile the balance can be.

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