If park camping I bring 3" wide straps for this reason. Often the tensa too, but tree hanging is nicer. Even 1" if used repeatedly in a park setting will eventually damage the tree.
If park camping I bring 3" wide straps for this reason. Often the tensa too, but tree hanging is nicer. Even 1" if used repeatedly in a park setting will eventually damage the tree.
Hammocks are still very misunderstood.
When at campgrounds I use my Tensa stand to avoid any to-do with someone put in charge that may not be familiar with all policies.
Thus why I backpack on trails away from officials.
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That Gibbon tree wrap sure seems cheaper than a Tensa.
Yup that is the official stance - always depends on who is in charge of enforcing I guess - my ranger friend wouldn't cite a set up with 1" straps - but probably circumstances have now changed with the explosion of people using our outdoor resources and in a terribly human way - trashy
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Really?? How do you know for sure?
Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to be cheeky or confrontational. But this highlights the intent of the original post. To get actual test data to determine what does and what does not actually harm trees to help influence thoughtful and reasonable rule and regulations instead of ignorant outright bans.
chapinb, I see you are from NY. Might I introduce you to one of the trees in the Pacific NorthWest.
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Here’s a little brother:
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Of course water repeatedly dripping on a rock will erode the rock. But I wouldn’t want to calculate how many times you’d have to wrap 1 inch webbing around one of our Ponderosa Pines before it actually damages the tree.
My guess is Park People are more concerned about a “slippery slope” where they’d have people hangin on narrow line and hammering nails into the trees to keep the line from slipping down. Easier to say, “Nothing” than to debate “This is okay but that is not.”
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I think this was the real cause. From afar he saw my 7/64" whoopies and was on his way over to say something and never saw or registered that 1" straps were used at the tree. The contact made he could not admit being wrong and needed to maintain superiority. He maintained he was doing me a favor as an actual ranger could, in his opinion issue a situation over it. What can you do... OK got it thank you. .
In NC, any SP that allows camping will also allow hammocks. Only problem is not all of the camping sites have trees suitable for hanging. Stone MT SP will give you a map of the camp sites that are hammock friendly. Last time I was at Hammock Beach State Park I could not find any hammock friendly camp sites.
I am still 18 but with 52 years of experience !
A couple things to consider. The tree bark is the first line of defense for trees to protect itself against injury and disease. Secondly, I'm sure we have all visited campgrounds where either ignorant or malicious folks have damaged trees, often unintentionally. Such as testing how sharp their pride and joy axe is, pounding nails to hang item X, building camp 'furniture', and etc. For me it is a heart breaker to see such damage at campsites. In ignorance or maliciously it is unsightly and often over time kills the trees. Thirdly, trees are a wonderful and valuable asset in campgrounds and rarely are planted but are there through natural growth. Fourthly, it takes a long time for a tree to reach maturity. As convenient as it is to hitch to a couple of trees the most prudent method in a campground is to use artificial assets, i.e. portable stands or poles. What a prime opportunity to build good will between the FS and the hammock community by working together to install suitable structures to accommodate hangers.
PS: some of 'officials' spent their careers prowling the back country looking for ne'erdowells violating various CFRs. Horrible job, but somebody had to do it. ;-)
Yeah I don't understand why people do what they do. Here's a collage of pics I took years ago at a place I won't even mention due to gross overuse already (USFS is part to blame). These were taken within a few minutes, about 200' radius. I could have kept going all day. I can say with certainly, none of these were dead when cut. Not like that would make it OK though. "Brown and down" applies.
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