Storage of Guy Lines

[Rustyspur]

Does anybody rig Dutch’s tarp flyz’s to the “D” on the tarp edge as suggested by Dutch?

I did, using the shock cord loops to tie the fly’s on with a larks head. I’m using 1.75 zing it for the guy lines.

The question is how do you store the guylines each time you break it down?

If I throw all of them together into a stuff sack, the lines get tangled.

How do you keep the zing it from tangling?

[MAD777]

I roll my tarp after pulling the stakes, but leaving the ridgeline suspension intact. Simply lay each guy line in the roll as you progress.

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[Dvankirk]

I roll my tarp after pulling the stakes, but leaving the ridgeline suspension intact. Simply lay each guy line in the roll as you progress.

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I roll mine to go in a snake skin with the cord attached. The suspension goes in the pocket on the snake skin (wrapped in a figure 8 not to tangle). Dutch cord doesn't tangle very easily and Lawson's glow wire is a close second.

[Rustyspur]

I roll mine to go in a snake skin with the cord attached. The suspension goes in the pocket on the snake skin (wrapped in a figure 8 not to tangle). Dutch cord doesn't tangle very easily and Lawson's glow wire is a close second.

Thank you, Dean, what size is the dutchcord you are using? Is it stiffer than zing it?

[Dvankirk]

Thank you, Dean, what size is the dutchcord you are using? Is it stiffer than zing it?

Dutch cord is 1.3mm and reflective (as is Zpacks z-line) and is a lot stiffer and doesn't tangle as easily in my opinion. The long term durability is still somewhat of a question to me. They also won't work with Line Lock 3s, but work well with the Line Lock V (available from Dutch or Zpacks), the Slide Lock the Dutch sells, or knots of course.

[Rustyspur]

10-4, MAD. Thank you for your response.

[cmoulder]

Does anybody rig Dutch’s tarp flyz’s to the “D” on the tarp edge as suggested by Dutch?

I did, using the shock cord loops to tie the fly’s on with a larks head. I’m using 1.75 zing it for the guy lines.

The question is how do you store the guylines each time you break it down?

If I throw all of them together into a stuff sack, the lines get tangled.

How do you keep the zing it from tangling?

First, no need to break it down... leave tarp ridge line and guy lines attached. I've never understood the rationale for removing all the cordage, which is only going to be re-installed the next time the tarp is pitched. I use a tangle resistant cord, 2mm Lawson's Guywire or Glowire.

When I take down the tarp, I release the corner guy lines first, then release one end of the ridge line, fold the tarp in zig-zag fashion along the ridge line, then roll from the ridge line toward the tarp edges, folding the ends of the bundle in after the first roll. This makes a nice, small bundle and expels nearly all the air. Then roll the guy lines and ridge line ends around the bundle, which fits into the stuff sack with room to spare, and un-rolls easily and tangle-free when ready for its next deployment.

Pic here shown with Zing-it, now replaced with Lawson's Glowire:

[Rustyspur]

Did I mention I am a newbie at hanging?
I looked at Dutch’s card which shows how to rig the fly’s, and I just assumed the preferred method was to remove each guy line each time. That (mistaken) idea did conflict with any normal tent where we just roll the guys up with the tent. I was using 1.8 mm reflect it, but the lines were tangling fairly often, so I switched them out out to zing it last week to have stiffer cord that would maybe tangle less. Sunday afternoon when I broke it down, it seemed like a lot of extra work to separate the “guys from the flyz’s” and then coil up each separate guy line. I believe I can handle it from here.

Thank you cmoulder for your response!

cmoulder, who sells Lawson’s glowire?

[cmoulder]

Did I mention I am a newbie at hanging?
I looked at Dutch’s card which shows how to rig the fly’s, and I just assumed the preferred method was to remove each guy line each time. That (mistaken) idea did conflict with any normal tent where we just roll the guys up with the tent. I was using 1.8 mm reflect it, but the lines were tangling fairly often, so I switched them out out to zing it last week to have stiffer cord that would maybe tangle less. Sunday afternoon when I broke it down, it seemed like a lot of extra work to separate the “guys from the flyz’s” and then coil up each separate guy line. I believe I can handle it from here.

Thank you cmoulder for your response!

cmoulder, who sells Lawson’s glowire?

LOL no worries!

As is the case with just about everybody who backpacks/hammocks, I came from a tent/tarp-bivy background as well and it took me a good while to sort through the myriad options for suspension and tarps and re-combine it with stuff I already knew.

It's ironic that the path to simplicity was rather complicated.

Glowire!

[rweb82]

First, no need to break it down... leave tarp ridge line and guy lines attached. I've never understood the rationale for removing all the cordage, which is only going to be re-installed the next time the tarp is pitched.

I agree completely. I'm always gonna need the guylines attached to the tarp when I pitch it- may as well just keep them connected permanently.