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    Senior Member Tyroler Holzhacker's Avatar
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    Remember to hang on the knot....Not the toggle....( in SHUG slow-MO)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyroler Holzhacker View Post
    Remember to hang on the knot....Not the toggle....( in SHUG slow-MO)
    On the knot, not the toggle.... On the knot, not the toggle...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Falarny View Post
    To the huggers- Larks head.
    To Straps- toggle.

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    Last two questions, how close were the trees and who made the whoopies?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Need2noCallahan View Post
    Last two questions, how close were the trees and who made the whoopies?


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    I tried 3 different sets of trees. 1 set was approx. 12’ apart, then I jumped to 18’-ish and last dropped to 14’-15’ apart.
    First set were just way too close together.
    Second set way too far apart.
    Third set was close but still too far apart & I couldn’t get the huggers high enough.

    The Whoopies are made by Dutch.


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    I wonder if you take away either the huggers or straps, would it fix the problem. Having 3 parts to your suspension means options, but also means added inches between tree and hammock.

    If you just use straps and whoopies you can get your anchor closer to the tree. Also, when using strap vs. huggers, you can use the slack in the distance around the tree to kind of toss the strap higher and then snug it. ( I hope you can visualize that, as that is the best way I could think to describe)

    Just a thought.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Falarny View Post
    I tried 3 different sets of trees. 1 set was approx. 12’ apart, then I jumped to 18’-ish and last dropped to 14’-15’ apart.
    First set were just way too close together.
    Second set way too far apart.
    Third set was close but still too far apart & I couldn’t get the huggers high enough.

    The Whoopies are made by Dutch.


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    Whoopies do require a bit more distance than some of my set ups, but I have not had any issues at 12 ft. though I guess it would be close with an 11 ft hammock and a 83% RL ( 9 ft long RL). 13 would be plenty for all my setups with or without WS. ( except with a WB Ridge Runner, that needs at least 15 ft. even with out WS) Is your hammock more than 11 ft and with no ridge line?

    Do you have hiking poles? Those really help when I need to push a strap higher in a tree as long as a branch is not in the way. Then use the pole to get under the strap and pull it away from the tree when time to pack up.

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    Because you mentioned a speed issue: I think daisy chain is the speed king/queen. Wrap/clip/done. I think it’s faster than webbing because you don’t have to slide the buckle to the correct position. That said, I’ve been migrating from daisy chain back to webbing to see if the continuous adjustment is really necessary - compared to the step size adjustment with daisy chain. The ENO Atlas and Kammeck Python straps are heavy. But Dutch makes some spider (blue) chain that’s pretty light.

    I went though a Whoopie period but now just use them for adjustable continuous hammock ridge line or for projects where I want to see how long something has to be before I make a fixed loop or dogbone for a permanent solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyBob58 View Post
    Whoopies do require a bit more distance than some of my set ups, but I have not had any issues at 12 ft. though I guess it would be close with an 11 ft hammock and a 83% RL ( 9 ft long RL). 13 would be plenty for all my setups with or without WS. ( except with a WB Ridge Runner, that needs at least 15 ft. even with out WS) Is your hammock more than 11 ft and with no ridge line?

    Do you have hiking poles? Those really help when I need to push a strap higher in a tree as long as a branch is not in the way. Then use the pole to get under the strap and pull it away from the tree when time to pack up.
    The issue isn’t the whoopies. It’s the whoopies tied to the tree huggers. 12’ between trees is fine with whoopies & straps or just straps.
    I do have hiking poles but didn’t bring them with me. We just ran up to a park to try a couple different ideas for fun. I liked the idea of the huggers & whoopies as 1 unit but found that it’s not practical.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cougarmeat View Post
    Because you mentioned a speed issue: I think daisy chain is the speed king/queen. Wrap/clip/done. I think it’s faster than webbing because you don’t have to slide the bucklet to the correct position. That said, I’ve been migrating from daisy chain back to webbing to see if the continuous adjustment is really necessary - compared to the step size adjustment with daisy chain. The ENO Atlas and Kammeck Python straps are heavy. But Dutch makes some spider (blue) chain that’s pretty light.

    I went though a Whoopie period but now just use them for adjustable continuous hammock ridge line or for projects where I want to see how long something has to be before I make a fixed loop or dogbone for a permanent solution.
    I still have some old Atlas straps somewhere. I haven’t used them since I sold my SMR rig. I went with the straps when I bought my Chameleon to shave a little more weight. I bought the huggers thinking I’d save a step by attaching them to the whoopies.... definitely didn’t work the way I pictured it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Need2noCallahan View Post
    I wonder if you take away either the huggers or straps, would it fix the problem. Having 3 parts to your suspension means options, but also means added inches between tree and hammock.

    If you just use straps and whoopies you can get your anchor closer to the tree. Also, when using strap vs. huggers, you can use the slack in the distance around the tree to kind of toss the strap higher and then snug it. ( I hope you can visualize that, as that is the best way I could think to describe)

    Just a thought.


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    Yeah. I’m going to stick with the straps for now, the huggers are going in to early retirement. I may pick up a set of beetle buckles at some point but I like the whoopies right now.


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