Got a Xenon .9 custom tarp--10' and one pull out, so not very customized. Made super fast and shipped likewise. But the stuff sack seems pretty small--folded and new from the shop there was a little leeway, but stuffed in there the usual way fills the stuff sack to the maximum. I'll have to use a different sack once I add lines & etc. Is this usual for Dutch stuff sacks?
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Red Cinema, I can't speak for Dutch, but it is not unusual that the stuff sack provided for things is near absolute minimum. That's one reason why various vendors sell separate/larger stuff sacks. It's sort of a common joke that once you take various object out the their package, they will never fit back in. Those tiny mylar "emergency" blankets come to mind.
Also, having Lines and stakes in different bags can be a feature, not a bug. Specifically for stakes, there is one thread about that in the forum and most reported that they keep their stakes separate (point up in their own bag). That keeps dirt away from the tarp. Also, some people have more than one tarp so they grab the tarp they need, then the bag of stakes they'll need for the expected ground condition.
If you just have one tarp, and one set of stakes, I can see how you're thinking "just grab and go". But if you have multiple choices and may be camping in a forest or sandy beach, then you may want to grab different things.
And bulk-wise, it can be easier to find a place in your pack (or kayak) for two small bags rather than one larger bag.
Over time, you may find requesting a larger stuff sack (perhaps paying a little more) works better for you.
It is certainly easier to stuff gear in a larger sack so the next time you order something from the many vendors here, you can add an extra stuff sack, for your tarp, to the order and use your current tarp bag for other gear.
As for as keeping the lines attached to the tarp, that's another preference - some like that, some like them attached to stakes, some like them completely separate too.
What color/fabric did you get?
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Uh, what crazy person would put their stakes in with their tarp? Stakes go in a whole 'nother container.
Every other tarp I've had came with a stuff sack with enough room for the tarp itself and the lines, which don't take up a lot of room, but which do take up _some_ room. This stuff sack is really marginal just for the tarp itself.
Annnd I got a Red tarp for Red Cinema, of course
Originally Posted by cougarmeat
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“Stories set in the Culture in which Things Went Wrong tended to start with humans losing or forgetting or deliberately leaving behind their terminal. It was a conventional opening, the equivalent of straying off the path in the wild woods in one age, or a car breaking down at night on a lonely road in another.”
― Iain M. Banks, The Player of Games
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It's a lovely Brick Red
For comparison, my Superfly goes in a stuff sack roughly double the size and is definitely full with lines (not stakes! no no no no stakes) (no stakes
Edit: here's the 11' Superfly:
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I'd love it if the new 10' Winter Tarp fit in the sack provided, but if one squeezes a stuff sack a bit and the contents come oozing out (forcing the drawstring open), it is just a fantasy--that's without lines, of course. Though even in a 2-3" larger stuff sack it'll take up less real estate than the Superfly--must be the miracle of the Xenon .9 vs. the silnylon 1.1 or whatever the Superfly is. And i won't know until I shift the lines over but I'm guessing a half pound lighter, too.
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Red Cinema, Nice color! When you said "once I add lines & etc. " I figured that was tarp, lines, and the only other thing I could image the "& etc." referred to with respect to a tarp were the stakes.
They can go in last , if careful (points up) and clean. I wouldn't do it but I'm just guessing some small sun block day tarps are pretty small and 4 Shepard hooks could make a complete package.
Looks like Dutch will accommodate your desire for a larger stuff sack.
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I put mine in with various .51 DCF tarps/tents, inside a ziploc quart-sized freezer bag. Nary a bit of damage for many miles over many years.Uh, what crazy person would put their stakes in with their tarp? Stakes go in a whole 'nother container.
Congratulations on getting that very cool tarp. That is an impressively small bundle!
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d'aw, thanks Dutch! I was just checking here to make sure I wasn't out of touch with stuff sack reality
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― Iain M. Banks, The Player of Games
Ah, I see. I was thinking of line bling and the small loops of wossname elastic cord I use to help with tension, and in the case of the pictured Superfly, mesh snakeskin. I see someone has posted about storing stakes in with a tarp--agreed, a separate bag would ease the issue considerably. I'm still curious if this sack was usually small for Dutch; super nice he's offered to do another one.
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― Iain M. Banks, The Player of Games
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