Originally Posted by
SilvrSurfr
I must admit - I will probably never experiment with VB clothing. And there are very few people who participate in the "Vapor Barriers - what is your opinion?" thread. It's just the same handful (though they've reached 331 posts in that thread - impressive!).
And no, I'm not challenging you. I just offer your opinion as different from mine. I do give credit where credit is due - you love vapor barriers, and I don't. In the end, the market decides, and I think it's decided, because even if Dejoha, Skurka and a handful of others on HF may have written about the topic, the market hasn't caught on, and I doubt it ever will. It is a very esoteric subject, you will admit?
In the end, I don't see much difference between condensation and sweating. All that moisture has to be processed in some way. The moisture from my breath has to find some way out of my hammock, just as the moisture from sweating does. And I'll admit, I'm a sweater at night, as are all three of my kids. The sweating doesn't start until I reach REM sleep stage, then it's pretty constant until I wake up.
As far as denial goes, I've always wondered about people who use HHSS silnylon undercovers, or top covers, or winter socks, or space blankets. At group hangs, I've actually gone and checked out the setups of people who use that stuff. And while they said they got no condensation or moisture buildup, their HHSS silnylon undercover was soaked. Their space blanket was soaked. Their top cover was soaked. Their winter sock was soaked in the morning. And if I ask them if they had problems with moisture? They said no. Is that denial? Of course, I've only checked a handful of setups, but the meager evidence I've collected indicates to me that there is the strong possibility of denial.
Ever wonder why HH stopped making silnylon UQPs for their Supershelters? I know Tom Hennessey can be thick-headed (since his products have hardly changed in years) but he had to at some point conclude that there was a condensation, or sweating issue, that was not exactly boosting sales. Why did 2QZQ stop making silnylon UQPs?
By the way, I do think vapor barriers for hands and feet make sense. However, you're not going to find me sleeping in a garbage bag or a leaf bag.
Frost bibs also make sense but they don't do anything to mitigate condensation or moisture buildup - they just provide a different area for the condensation to collect on, rather than your quilts. Which makes me wonder, does Shug have no idea what he is talking about? I mean, Shug obviously has condensation from his breath that would collect on his topquilts if he didn't use a frost bib. Why is that condensation not exiting the vents? Shug has a Chameleon. Shug has hammocks with bugnet vents. Why isn't the condensation exiting the vents rather than settling on the top quilt?
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