LLG Operator 50F vs Recon 60F Pack Size

[cmoulder]

I’m just a noob. I have a 45L cheap pack and the 0F wooki and 20F operator TQ are taking about 18L.

I can fit all my gear and food etc but it’s a right fit. Since the 0/20F is overkill I’m trying to solve that problem.


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No worries... either way, you're going to find these far more compact than the 0/20 set.

[bigbenny]

Thanks for the additional photo.

I was thinking if I got the 60Fs now, and then 40Fs later, so I’d eventually have 0, 20, 40, 60F and take what’s best suited. I bought the 50F though. It should be suitable for 3 seasons in my local area, for weekend trips, so hopefully it’s the ideal rating for my climate and use.

Thanks, I’ll see how I go with it. It will be my first partial underquilt, total opposite of the wooki. I’ve read because it’s light it stays put, stays sealed, and doesn’t banana. So hopefully the lack of secondary suspension works for me. Otherwise, I’ll be reading and posting here for some help.


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[Dublinlin]

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I was thinking if I got the 60Fs now, and then 40Fs later, so I’d eventually have 0, 20, 40, 60F and take what’s best suited. I bought the 50F though. It should be suitable for 3 seasons in my local area, for weekend trips, so hopefully it’s the ideal rating for my climate and use.

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I think you made the best choice going with the 50 degree Operator Series. I have both the OS 50 TQ and UQ. I use the TQ year round. Love that thing. On warmer nights I just open the drawstring bottom to vent it, or unsnap the footbox altogether and just use it as a light throw to pull over me if I get a bit cool or kick aside if I’m hot. I can’t imagine needing anything lighter and the versatility of having coverage for 10 degrees warmer when needed would make me choose it over a 60 degree every time.

The OS 50 TQ packs up so small that I always take it, even on cold weather trips when I’m bringing one of my warmer rated TQs. I layer the OS 50 inside my winter TQ at the beginning of the night when I’m cold, throw it aside if I get too warm...or toss the heavier quilt aside and just keep the light one. Bringing it along as an extra quilt in the winter is my luxury item to pack. I love having it, summer, fall, winter, spring!

[bigbenny]

My 50’F bags arrived a while ago and I’m really happy with them. I’ve tested them indoors and I’m still waiting to test them outdoors.

Together they both pack into a 8L dry bag.
Compared to my 20’F TQ and wookie 0’F UQ which struggled to squeeze into a IIRC a 20L dry bag.

So it’s great space savings.

[cmoulder]

Glad to hear you received them! Wishes for many good nights sleeping in the wild.

[mad_matze]

You won‘t regret it, those guys are little miracles! Just got back from a trip to Patagonia (https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/...king-Patagonia).

Temperatures went down to 37F and with some tricks I was ok. The TQ also seems tough for its weight and withstood me using it in overnight busses all the time. Because of the low bulk I didn’t mind them in my pack even at the times we haven’t been camping. Great pieces!

[Hammichael]

@Mad_Matze: Which “tricks” did you use to extend the performance of your Operator quilts down to the mid-30s?


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[mad_matze]

Nothing too fancy actually.
For the topquilt:

-sleeping with some clothes
-taking care to get the quilt hole at your feet closed for good before the night
-migrating some more of the down towards the top (where there is no extra underquilt)
-using a wind shield on the hammock
-in the coldest hours: tucking in your head inside the quilt to make use of your own warm breath. Big difference.
-getting myself one pair of fluffy wool socks
-also possible: going to sleep with a bottle of warm water

For the underquilt:
-MOST IMPORTANTLY: carefully feeling every baffle and distributing the down before each night to avoid cold spots
-using an additional piece of the thinnest evazote I could get (around 5$)
-for the feet: I always use an inflatable sit pad
-what also helped on another trip: using an underquilt protector against convection by the wind

[Hammichael]

Thanks for the tips!


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