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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff-oh View Post
    Just get out and camp.
    * applause *

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    Suspension suggestion

    Easy to be overwhelmed when getting your rigs together.
    You might value light weight, durable suspensions, that give you ease of use.
    I like suspensions that do not slip, do not jam, do not wear out easily, with no small parts to lose, modular yet somewhat attached to prevent losing parts and lightweight.
    I’m a car camper and beginning backpacker short miles.
    Highly recommend you go to at least two group hangs to see lots of rigs in use. Possibly a group hang that has a short hike in. Backpackers will tend to have lighter suspensions, lighter tarps, lighter total pack weight
    Watch Shug’s videos on hammock suspensions and packs loaded with gear for a trek through the woods.
    I have no room to talk, as my pack weight and physical condition limit me to short miles. Ima heading that way...Lol
    Read and watch videos from AT hikers, backpack a section of AT with some AT pros to get specific firsthand experience.
    Good Luck ATGIRL2028
    Last edited by Phantom Grappler; 11-07-2019 at 04:21.

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    If you are already using whoopie slings and are only worried about short hanging distances, my suggestion would be:

    - continuous loops or Evo Loops on the hammock
    - whoopie slings when you need the distance
    - a pair of 8' Spider/Poly treestraps with Beetle Buckles

    With short distances, you just hang the continuous loop over the Beetle Buckle and skip the whoopie slings. With longer distances, you simply attach the whoopie sling to the continuous loop* to gain more length.

    * Evo Loops make this step simpler and faster

    There are lighter suspension systems, but none is as easily and micro-adjustable as whoopies and Beetle Buckles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmc4free View Post
    If you did want to use daisy chains, per above, check out Dutch's mantis hardware to go with them - definitely lighter than a carabiner. His Spider daisy chains are about as light as that style of webbing gets.
    https://dutchwaregear.com/product/mantis-pair/
    https://dutchwaregear.com/product/sp...chain-webbing/

    Lightest option is to tie your tree strap directly to the CL of the hammock using a Becket hitch, J-bend, or Lapp hitch. You have plenty of time to learn these and become comfortable with them.

    Not lightest, but another of the simplest options is Dutch's Beetle Buckles on his Spider/Poly straps. These adjust very easily and can be tightened all the way back to the trees, unlike whoopies. They also have the advantage of easily detaching from the hammock CLs so you can pack your straps separately from the hammock if you wish.
    https://dutchwaregear.com/product/be...uckle-hardware

    There are loads of other options too. And who knows what innovations the next 8 years will bring.
    Thanks for your help! I actually have a daisy chain now with my Hennessey and it works ok, but it's not my favorite. It's a lot of hooking and unhooking each side to get it right. I'm 'lazy' and would rather just pull instead of unhook everytime. I have been working on those knots actually, funny you mentioned them. I'm just not quite comfortable in my ability to do them in pouring down rain or freezing cold weather or when it got dark. However, I know with 6 months on the trail, tying these knots everyday, I'd become a pro at it. But until then, I need something I can put my confidence in while still practicing these knots (in case I lose my hardware on the trail). So I poked around Dutch's site and I think I landed on beetle buckles. A little heavy, but I just need the security blanket of simplicity and ease right now as a newbie Thanks for your help!
    Psalm 118:24 This is the day the Lord has made! I will rejoice and be glad!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unknowing outdoorsman View Post
    And good luck with your thru hike. I am planning to thru hike the AT as well as soon as I graduate college (class of 2028 as well, actually).


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    Awesome! If I'm not too old and feeble, I'll try to remember to look for you! We are doing it in 2028 when our sons graduate high school. It's gonna be a good year!!
    Psalm 118:24 This is the day the Lord has made! I will rejoice and be glad!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff-oh View Post
    Just get out and camp, don't worry about it too much, by the time 2028 gets here we will probably have nano-string suspensions or hammocks will be a than of the past as we enjoy our anti-gravity field sleeping systems.
    Lol! I know, right?! SO MUCh will change in 8 years, but I'm so excited to hang now, I can't wait to see what will happen in 8 years..lol. I'm trying to drag all my boys out there too, I think they'll love it. My family thinks I'm a nut. Oh well, I'm a nut in a tree, right?!
    Have a great Thursday!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeff-oh View Post
    Just get out and camp, don't worry about it too much, by the time 2028 gets here we will probably have nano-string suspensions or hammocks will be a than of the past as we enjoy our anti-gravity field sleeping systems.
    Mega ditto.

    Start off with car camping and then wander a little farther into the woods and then deep into the hills as confidence and skills develop.

    I know this the place people come for advice—and that's great!—but there's also a lot of paralysis-by-analysis with some folks trying to arrive at the ideal solution without actually using it in the field.
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    I'd say you are overthinking it. If your fully cinched whoopies are too long then your tarp is definitely going to be too long. The hammock is the shortest part of the equation. As noted, you can always go direct to the loop on the end of the hammock on one or both sides. I've got lots of nights in all kinds of environments and its never been my hammock that was the challenge in the equation unless it was a really long hang and I couldn't get my straps high enough up the tree. It's always the tarp that's too big. Even on a really short hang you can sag the hammock and get by. It won't be as comfortable, but it'll still work.

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    The fastest most versatile suspension is Dutchs beetle buckle on the poly strap. Your 7/64 amsteel continuous loops clip right onto those things perfectly. That being said, the are plenty of lighter options, i.e. smaller width webbing, soft shackles, whoopies, or a combination or these. Being on a long hike every ounce matters. My favorite go to light weight setup is integrated 7/64 amsteel CL whoopies with an integrated tree hugger and soft shackle.

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    also take a look at these: https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/...pension-option

    I started out using whoopies and then dutch spiders and then dutch beetle buckle and then cinch buckles and now using the turtle ties and really like then.
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    if you know where to look for it.
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