A guy can drive 10d nails with a sledge hammer. It is really nice to have that sledge hammer if on occassion you had to drive a railroad spike. It would be hard to drive a railroad spike with a 20 oz hammer so you better get a sledge hammer for the once or twice you'll drive railroad spike. A sledge hammer will be kind of sucky for the 100's of 10d nails you'll drive but, it will work.
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Thanks everybody for the comments, Eventually I'll have to get an Underquilt for my wbbb, so I guess I'll be looking for one in the 20* range.Eh...what? Wrong tab I'm guessing? Or is there a metaphor in your comment that I'm missing?Originally Posted by OCDave
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It's analogy about overkill... (if you need a 0 degree quilt for 2 cold nights a year, but you're out there 80 nights a year in milder weather, it's like owning only a sledge hammer when almost everything you hit is a 10d nail, just so you have it for those 2 railroad spikes someday...)
Metaphor = using a sledge hammer to do work of hammer
20* quilt = Hammer
0* quilt = Sledge hammer
Take home message is both would do fine but the few occasions you camp below 20* you would need supplemental Insulation to stay warm if you purchased the 20* - If you go 0* you would have to vent your system in most camping situations so as not to overheat but would be covered in almost any camping situation down to about 0*. Personal choice - I recommend you identify the majority of the situations where you will be camping - If you don't plan on going below 20* very often stick with the 20* quilt.
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Thought it was overly obvious; Get the right tool for the job. You can make the wrong tool work but, it will be a huge pain in the tookus.
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I was a little slow today. I saw him talking about hammers and I was thinking "What the heck?"
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Another old saying (maybe also a metaphor?): there is more than one way to skin a cat. Quite a number in fact. The 20* TQ or UQ, or even the 30 or 40F quilts, can be vastly extended in range on those rare (if they indeed are rare) occasions when actually needed. Layering both clothing or quilts/bags, pads partial or full length, UQ protectors(at least keeps the wind and rain from decreasing ratings so much), hot water bottles, and various combinations of all of the above.
Conversely, even if the 0* is rarely needed, If below 20 or 30F is quite common, then you can just get the 0F and forget about all of the above. You have it covered, and at least for the UC it is not hard to use it at much warmer temps. (quite a bit trickier for trying to use a 0F TQ at 40F or 50F though). So you can just get the 0F UQ, carry it most of the year, carry a few oz more and pay a few $ more and take up a bit more of your pack room, and be done with it.
Who s to say which is correct? What is your personal preference? Whatever that is, go for it.
Now, with a full length JRB MW4 UQ under a JRB bridge- I did wake up soaked in sweat one April night in NC, unseasonably warm weather. I can't remember how warm, but def warmer that average for that time of year. Bailed and joined my wife in the AC'ed RV. But that was probably mostly due to the 20F TQ. Too cool for just clothing on top, but way to warm for the 20F TQ. But with just a cotton home blanket, I probably would have been just fine with the 0F UQ. Or, with a gathered hammock and a partial length UQ, I could have easily vented by moving the quilt more towards my head, or loosening the suspension.
I guess the choice mostly just depends on what you value most: light weight, bulk and low cost, vs all contingencies covered and can still probably get by at warm temps with that 0F UQ. Either approach will get the job done.
'cause it sucks to be too hot almost as much as it sucks to be cold
0* full length UQ are uncomfortably hot if it’s not freezing. 0* 3/4 length if it might freeze, and 20* 3/4 length is great if it won’t freeze. That’s my simple selection advice.
I have all three - 0, 20, 40 degree UQ's. If I could have only one, it would be the 20 degree. It is not too warm (¾ length) in the summer and with UQP, or full sock, or tarp with doors, it can work well into winter.
Why carry the weight, bulk, and possible discomfort, of a 0 degree bag that is really only necessary a few times a year. If I were starting over, AND the WBBB was my only or primary hammock, I'd consider the 20 degree wookie.
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