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    Grand Canyon permits now explicitly ban hammock hanging

    Received my permit for the R2R2R I'm organizing for the first week in December, and for the first time the permit mentions that hanging hammocks is expressly forbidden, at least in the Bright Angel campground. Here's the verbiage:

    IMPORTANT: This permit allows occupation of only ONE CAMPSITE. Food,
    trash and plastic items (including bags) MUST be stored in the metal ammo
    cans - squirrels and rodents will chew through tents and packs to get to food.
    Always carry a method to treat water. Hot water burns occur every year,
    please do not cook on the tables or ammo cans. Campground is not
    designed for Hammocks, bring alternative sleep system.

    This probably has resulted from some people I've seen abusing the campsites and attempting to hang from the steel pack hang bars, bending them down to the ground.

    Too bad, but not surprising.

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    Bummer but yep, the area is fragile and this is simply the result of too few trees and too many people. A lot of the National parks are being "used" to death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailSlug View Post
    A lot of the National parks are being "used" to death.
    Good, bad, unfortunate, all of the above really.

    How A Surge in Visitors Is Overwhelming America’s National Parks

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    Not a new rule but one that they now feel the need to specify on the permit.
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    I'm surprised people would try it. I'm tentatively planning a trip for next year, and decided to bring a ground tarp after reading about the layout of the campgrounds.

    In any case, I'm glad to know that I'm making the right decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcolm View Post
    I'm surprised people would try it. I'm tentatively planning a trip for next year, and decided to bring a ground tarp after reading about the layout of the campgrounds.
    In any case, I'm glad to know that I'm making the right decision.
    What probably happens is people show up with their hammocks, not knowing any better, and don't have a Plan B, i.e. a ground pad to sleep on. So they try to set up their hammocks despite the lack of trees.
    Have a great trip! FWIW, I find a freestanding tent to be optimal for the Canyon. The ground is hard as a rock, don't bother to bring tent stakes, you'll be securing any guylines with boulders, which is a lot easier with a freestanding tent.
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    I wonder if this would include stands such as the Tato or Tensa?


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    Its probably a result of campgrounds making room for tents by cutting down trees to make pads or platforms, and hammock campers having to do what they can to abide by rules in camps that were "produced" to manage the impact of tent camping. Never mind that there is less impact with hammock camping, folks just didn't seem to think any thought there was necessary.

    That said, as we pretty much know, anyone with camping experience seeks to avoid campgrounds anyway, if they can. So a lot of campgrounds get a lot of inexperienced hammock campers. Sad but true.

    With a little bit of forethought on what could be done to accommodate, rather than to minimize the perceived intrusion (attitude), camps could reduce overall impact of campers by encouraging more hammock camping. Would at worst be no more effort than making pads and platforms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TxAggie View Post
    I wonder if this would include stands such as the Tato or Tensa?
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    No it would not. They just don't want you tieing to a tree. BUT, the ground is hard as a rock, no way to get a stake down far enough for those stands to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dakotaross View Post
    Its probably a result of campgrounds making room for tents by cutting down trees to make pads or platforms, and hammock campers having to do what they can to abide by rules in camps that were "produced" to manage the impact of tent camping. Never mind that there is less impact with hammock camping, folks just didn't seem to think any thought there was necessary.

    That said, as we pretty much know, anyone with camping experience seeks to avoid campgrounds anyway, if they can. So a lot of campgrounds get a lot of inexperienced hammock campers. Sad but true.

    With a little bit of forethought on what could be done to accommodate, rather than to minimize the perceived intrusion (attitude), camps could reduce overall impact of campers by encouraging more hammock camping. Would at worst be no more effort than making pads and platforms.
    I'm not sure your reasoning, which in most circumstances I would agree with, apply to GCNP. There were very few trees in the area when the campgrounds were made, and they do their best to keep the ones they have. This is a desert after all, though Bright Angel is a riparian area.

    You also can't avoid the campgrounds along the corridor - staying in them is mandatory, no dispersed camping allowed. In some of the more remote areas it is allowed, but except for the river banks you aren't going to find any trees.

    Make sense?

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