Carabiner instead of a toggle to hold a marlinspike hitch?

**cmoulder** · 06-12-2018, 05:26

Originally Posted by ChrisJHC

Here’s what I used as my toggle last weekend.

I just pick up a stick that’s lying around - no weight to carry at all.

As long as you’re hanging from the knot and not the toggle then almost anything will do.

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Agreed, the key is learning to do it correctly!

I settled on some by Black Diamond that are 1oz each.

OK, I didn't realize that climbing biners have gotten quite that light... 20kN for 1oz is pretty amazing. l was weighing some of my old standard biners and deducting a bit for wires. Even so, they still weigh more than 0!.

**snwcmpr** · 06-12-2018, 09:28

Nano 22 is 22 grams.

**RENDAWG** · 06-12-2018, 10:24

I just switched over to toggles. I like the idea of carabiners instead. I may try that next time I set up. Thanks for the idea.

**cmoulder** · 06-12-2018, 15:32

Toggles ain't exactly rocket science.

If you're worried they won't hold, you can larkshead the CL or whoopie behind the knot. Totally foolproof, rock solid.

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**Dlrocm** · 06-12-2018, 16:06

I used a stick the diameter of my thumb i found lying around the campsite. make sure the suspension rests on the knot , not the toggle!

**cmoulder** · 06-13-2018, 06:06

Sticks are fine.

However when I was using toggles I preferred the Ti for a couple of reasons... If somehow the loop did end up on the "shoulder" of the knot, the toggle itself still wouldn't break so there's a margin for error, and in the winter it was much easier to remove if it was wet/frozen.

But the list of things that can be used as a toggle is virtually endless... heck, a toothbrush handle will work.

**curlymaple42** · 06-13-2018, 07:15

I was first using fancy wood toggles I made, then went to carbon fiber arrow shafts, then realized I could use a biner as a toggle like cmoulder's pic #1, then someone suggested pic #2. I go back and forth between all four methods depending on my mood and all work just fine I will report!

**Marine2000** · 10-28-2018, 16:38

Originally Posted by HandyRandy

It will absolutely work. Just be sure to use a quality climbing rated biner without any sharp edges.

Yeah I wouldn’t play around with a Walmart Biner using some Chinese 1080 or 1095 steel. Make sure it’s actually weight rated. There are some bumps in the night I can live with, the bump after a fall isn’t one of them

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**TominMN** · 10-28-2018, 17:56

Originally Posted by Marine2000

Yeah I wouldn’t play around with a Walmart Biner using some Chinese 1080 or 1095 steel. Make sure it’s actually weight rated. There are some bumps in the night I can live with, the bump after a fall isn’t one of them

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If the 'biner is used as a toggle and the CL or Whoopie is still hung on the knot (not clipped into the 'biner), it can be a pretty cheap 'biner!

**snwcmpr** · 10-29-2018, 16:37

I would add... As long as the inadequate 'biner' does not look like a climbing biner. It is worth it to me to have a stronger biner, just in case I need it, if I am going to have one.