Ah. Thanks for the correction. That's impressive.
Ah. Thanks for the correction. That's impressive.
Smart graphic design for all your needs by BGD
Do I lose any functionality if I get the Spider Web with the Dutch clip sewn in? I would prefer not to have to keep track of another clip. Also, 7' seems short for bigger trees?
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My lightest is a 15' Dyneems strap at each end, Phantom Grapplers Hitch at the tree end and a Dutch Double Whoopie Hook at the hammock end.. with tarp attached directly to that suspension. Super easy and fast. Only one strap per end to contend with. But a single line suspension isn't for everyone. So, my next lightest setup is a Kevlar tree straps with Phantom Grapplers Hitch at the tree end a Dynaglide UCR to the hammock. Zero hardware. Crazy compact and light. I can make it lighter if I shorten my tree straps.. just never bothered to do that.
Yes, my pack weighs 70lbs, but it's all light weight gear....
Bob's brother-in-law
Dutch’s 2.0 grams per foot spider web, is dyneema. I got two 15 foot huggers, they are so light and compact—-why knot? I can always shorten them at any time.
Dutch and his great crew might can help you by your email or phone call.
Also you can go to a local group hammock hang listed on Hammock Forums to see all kind of hammock rigging.
Especially a group hang that is not car camping, but instead a hike in camp—-this increases chances that you will see lightweight and compact suspensions.
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Last edited by Phantom Grappler; 05-11-2018 at 05:31.
The lightest setup I have found that works for me is a combo of 15' Venom straps direct to hammock CL with Marlin spike hitch. I have some Amsteel Evo loops on the tree end.
Personally, I avoid hardware whenever possible, but I do not like the friction/wear on these very light dyneema straps that I have seen when using the Becket hitch, even though in general I will always opt for a knot or hitch unless there is no choice. So I use MSH with toggle, which is my only hardware concession.
And for the MSH toggle I prefer the Ti tube vs a stick or other material because in the event that the CL ends up resting on the toggle (a big no-no! — but it can happen!) there's a good chance I won't get dumped on the ground. (Yes, I could larkshead the CL around the MSH, but I find that inconvenient if I have to readjust.) And the toggles are tied to the ends of the straps so they never get lost.
Bottom line: the whole shebang (yep, there's 2x 15' straps in there!) weighs 2.36oz... unfurled to show toggles and Amsteel Evo loop...
Lightweight_suspension.jpg
Edit: link to video... other one didn't work!
Last edited by cmoulder; 05-11-2018 at 06:18.
Five Basic Principles of Going Lighter (not me... the great Cam Honan of OZ)
“If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking.” ~ Gen. George S Patton
Yes, my pack weighs 70lbs, but it's all light weight gear....
Bob's brother-in-law
Not a soft shackle... Evo loop is basically a CL joined with a diamond knot, using the "feed-thru larkshead" to secure it. The linked vid above demonstrates (with button knot vs diamond... works the same...)
I prefer them because I can make them with no tools, and I find them easier to use in the field.
I'm always looking at worst-case scenario, which is wet+frozen, and early on had one helluva time undoing a SS in these conditions. So despite the elegance of a well-made SS I vastly prefer the real-world ease of use with the Evo loops.
Yes, the orange is the Evo loop on the second strap, and yes the toggles are tied to the hammock end of the strap. I just kept 'em all rolled up to also demonstrate the incredible teensie-weensie-ness of the package.
Last edited by cmoulder; 05-11-2018 at 06:20.
Five Basic Principles of Going Lighter (not me... the great Cam Honan of OZ)
“If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking.” ~ Gen. George S Patton
The link isn't working now.. it's got a time out error.
I'll try again later.
Like you, I reverse engineer with 'worst case' in mind. End of day, tired, dark, wet, cold hands... I don't use SS's much so I haven't seen the extremes of their operation.
You mention wear from a Beckett Hitch.. I haven't seen that either and I have long abandoned toggles & MSH for Beckett or J-Bend. I'll keep an eye open for excessive wear, but I am going on maybe a third season with the same kevlar straps.
Yes, my pack weighs 70lbs, but it's all light weight gear....
Bob's brother-in-law
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