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    Senior Member rais'n hammock's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shug View Post
    This is one reason for not using hammock socks or top covers as I always get the ice crystals.
    Plus I don't like being closed in as I love the openers of a hammock.
    Though top covers and socks do provide warmth and wind break; I would always be warm but damp.
    Believe me...I tried and tried.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilvrSurfr View Post
    I don't think vapor barriers have anything to do with top covers. Basically, any time you use a top cover it will collect condensation from your breath, unless you have just incredible ventilation (something I've never achieved). I expect condensation with a top cover, and that little vent on the Chameleon top cover basically does nothing. If it's below 20* F, I do like a top cover, and just deal with the snow.
    Quote Originally Posted by TrailSlug View Post
    This is the exact reason many of us do not use these "top covers" as they are like a rain coat and do not breath. Your best bet is to get quilts that will support the temps you are going to hang in and let the air move freely to prevent this issue.
    This is where I think I will stay. I tried it because I had it. I think that this top cover will be held as an OK wind break for temps above 40°F. I will rely on my quilts to keep me warm. Funny thing is that I did not need the top quilt nor was I using it to gain warmth. I left it on because I wanted to see if it worked as claimed. Instead it worked as I expected.
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    I tried a top cover once. Once.

    Then I put it on a hook.
    "...in Florida, she felt air conditioning for the first time, and it was cold and unnatural upon her skin."


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    Wow, not much love for the topcover. I use a cpap machine (lithium batteries), so my breath is contained by that, thus eliminating ice crystals from forming. I've only slept in temps to 26 degrees Fahrenheit, as I am no fan of being in the ice and snow. I prefer camping in the temperate range from Spring through Fall. i like how the topcover gives me wind protection, and privacy. There are times for it, as well as times for when you just want the bugnet. I like the modularity of a system that gives you access to both options, and since both are removable, you take only the option that you will need, and hang up the option you would rather shave the weight from.

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    Ideally, there should be a "cover" that zips across the hammock edges instead of over the ridge line. Then your heat stays down below while breath goes out over it. Kinda like a cover for a small boat.

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    Warm, moist air coming in contact with a cool surface will condense. Always. If it's cold enough, it will freeze, even on netting. It's the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leiavoia View Post
    Ideally, there should be a "cover" that zips across the hammock edges instead of over the ridge line. Then your heat stays down below while breath goes out over it. Kinda like a cover for a small boat.
    Yep this exists, it's called a top quilt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rais'n hammock View Post
    ... This really is just from breathing at night, which I am also partial to...
    Well, heck, if you aren't willing to consider alternative solutions...

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    Yeah I've found either have nothing over me or deal with the snow. When car camping in the past I've laid a wool blanket over my ridgeline which worked well. The frozen condensation stuck to the wool so it didn't snow on me vs a nylon cover. I've seen mention of cotton socks being effective for wind and warmth like the cotton anoraks winter trekkers use and it would also hang on to the frozen moisture. A little heavy for my liking though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrailSlug View Post
    Yep this exists, it's called a top quilt.
    It is not a top quilt. So often I wake up in middle of the night and there's this cold wet slobber all over the chest area of my quilt. It's my breath condensed in the cold air. If there was a layer above the quilt, inside would be dry and slobbery feeling condensation is on the "cover" - if such a thing existed.

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    I may be done with my Chameleon Top cover...

    I've had awesome luck with a simple wool blanket over the ridgeline and draping over the sides of the hammock not vented at all. In very cold temps. ( northern Minnesota winters) the wool wicks moisture and is I guess furry enough ? to hold any moisture it contained. Heavier but works like everyone wants. Also works better in the insulation department.

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