Cinch buckle for amsteel?

[joedietz]

Hi All,

I'm wondering if there is some sort of cinch buckle type device (maybe like a Lineloc or something) that would work on amsteel for a hammock suspension. I love the ease of using a cinch buckle to dial in the hang, but I love the lightness of amsteel (compared to webbing). I keep reading about these new light webbings (kevlar, dyneema) hoping that they will work with buckles, but they don't. Amsteel is stronger and lighter than even those webbing materials, so would be a great option if there was some sort of cinch buckle type device for it.

Thanks!

[GadgetUK437]

Try a stainless steel loop alien,
https://youtu.be/K2remMHDIBo

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Gadget

[rweb82]

Why not use a Whoopie Sling?

[GadgetUK437]

Not "stronger and lighter"
(well, OK.... not "and lighter")

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Gadget

[OneClick]

I'm with you! I've often wondered about that...just something quick and easy with none of the limitations/cons of whoopie slings. I know whoopie sling users want to hear my reasoning and they'll defend it til death, but I just don't have the effort to get into that again. Straps/buckles are for simplicity, so just replace the straps, but how?

Hammock>amsteel>some type of clip>tree strap. Easy. You could take 5' or 50' without messing with burying, milking, beads, hooks, continuous loops, etc.

I just don't trust amsteel wearing against metal over and over, no matter how smooth it is. There's gotta be a simple solution though. Like you said, just a buckle for amsteel. I'm sort of surprised Dutch doesn't have something, but it may be a liability thing.

[joedietz]

Not "stronger and lighter"
(well, OK.... not "and lighter")

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Gadget

Not sure what you mean by this.

7/64" amsteel = 1600 lbs strength and .048 oz per foot

The lightest 1" webbing is dyneema at 1500lb strength and .071 oz per foot (not as strong and almost 50% heavier)

Does that make sense? Or did you mean something else?

[joedietz]

Why not use a Whoopie Sling?

Yeah a whoopie sling would work. But it's not as simple and it uses more rope. I've actually made UCR's for amsteel suspension. They are lighter than a whoopie sling and work good, but a cinch buckle device would be just a bit simpler and easier (and maybe lighter if it was titanium!)

[GadgetUK437]

I was replying to the whoopie sling suggestion.
A whoopie sling is stronger than dyneema webbing... but not lighter.
For a 6 foot whoopie sling you need 12.5 feet of 7/64 Amsteel. At 1.3g per foot, that comes to 16.5g. A six foot length of 1" dyneema 2.0 webbing weighs in at 12g.
This is the reason I have eschewed whoopies for a single line of 2.5mm (7/64"). I have used stainless steel aliens for 2 years now, still using the same Amsteel as when I started, no wear to speak of.

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Gadget

[joedietz]

Try a stainless steel loop alien,
https://youtu.be/K2remMHDIBo

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Gadget

This is kind of what I am looking for. It's a little more complicated than using a cinch buckle though. Also, on Loop Aliens website, they don't recommend it to support human weight.

[joedietz]

I was replying to the whoopie sling suggestion.
A whoopie sling is stronger than dyneema webbing... but not lighter.
For a 6 foot whoopie sling you need 12.5 feet of 7/64 Amsteel. At 1.3g per foot, that comes to 16.5g. A six foot length of 1" dyneema 2.0 webbing weighs in at 12g.
This is the reason I have eschewed whoopies for a single line of 2.5mm (7/64").

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Gadget

Ok, I understand now. And I completely agree with you. I have made UCR's for my amsteel suspension which work good and I should just be satisfied with them, but a cinch buckle type system seemed a little bit simpler and easier.