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    Senior Member rais'n hammock's Avatar
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    I asked about the bubble in this thread...
    https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/...ng-Tarp-Bubble
    I ended up figuring out how to roll the tarp and slide the skin over it to avoid the bubble and still use the double skins. I think the longer single skin would be more of a pain for me. I like that I can have smaller tapered skins that fit nicely in the outside pocket on my pack without a compression sack. A single would need to be more straight than tapered to get over the thicker center of the tarp. I also like only dealing with half of the tarp at a time. More so when putting it away than deploying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rais'n hammock View Post
    I ended up figuring out how to roll the tarp and slide the skin over it to avoid the bubble and still use the double skins.
    That is why I like the single skin. I unhook the tarp from the stakes and slide the skin over. No rolling or organizing. I copied a design for adding guyline pockets to the end of snakeskins that is on this forum. I simply tuck in what cords are hanging out. I'd say start to finish less than 30 seconds. I like easy

    Quote Originally Posted by shogun82 View Post
    I like using a single. It's really just a preference. It is just faster for me.
    Agreed, HYOT.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peabody View Post
    For y'all who use a single skin, is it tapered or straight? I've heard of folks doing it both ways and am about to make one myself. Thanks.
    Mine is tapered. I looked at some available single skins to get an idea of roughly how large either end should be.

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    Senior Member blackbishop351's Avatar
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    I use double skins, always have. The bubble is very easily avoided, no extra hassle. I've tried single skins and found them unwieldy; I'd rather have a short piece of material work with than a long one, even if I have to use the short one twice. Plus, a single skin is inescapably heavier, especially if you don't taper it.
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    Senior Member OneClick's Avatar
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    I found the 0.6oz HG cuben sleeve to be extremely easy to use. Unfortunately I didn't like the cuben tarp enough to keep it. But it sure was fast, easy and crazy light weight. Having the sleeve only bunched up on one end also made things feel cleaner. Just some OCD there.

    Now the only one I have is the two piece mesh sleeves on my superfly and I'm OK with those too. I'm not sure what this bubble thing is about; no problems here.

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    Ran across this oldish thread but it is still relevant information so I'll go ahead and bump it with another humble opinion.

    My experience with double skins ended the first time I used a decent mesh tapered single skin (HG). It just works better in all of the PNW conditions I've encountered so far. Full stop. Dry or wet, windy or calm I can see no real advantage to a split set of skins other than the smallest of weight penalties if even that is real. Maybe if you were using some 13+ foot expedition double-wide, two story with a garage behemoth tarp it might be beneficial but if a new user is contemplating skins for the real world, go with a single tapered sleeve.

    I normally use either an 11' winter with doors or 12' hex tarp with a continuous ridgeline usually deployed above the tarp with only a small loop (<3") for the sleeve to squish down to when deployed with no problems.

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    Showing folks new to hammock camping how my HG sleeve works always impresses. It still impresses me even after having done it so many times. Combined with linelocs for the tie outs and a knotless setup for the ridgeline, the tarp is up likely split.

    I like the single skin because you don’t need to roll / just pull it off and drag it on and everything except the ridgeline lines are neatly captured.

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    I personally prefer mesh double snake skins. I hang with the Dutchware spider/poly straps with Beetle buckles, and any extra loose strap at the hammock continuous loop gets cinched into that snakeskin. Keeps things nice and neat.

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    I'm late to the party but I'll throw my two cents in: mesh single tapered has worked the best for me.

    Someone gifted me with double cuben snake skins and trying to get a Superfly in it without a bubble drove me crazy, especially since there was no way to join the two parts in the middle and cuben is so slippery my tarp would be half out of the skins when I pulled it out of the mesh pocket outside my pack. And after getting rained on the tarp just stays wet inside the waterproof snakeskins.

    I switched to a mesh single from MountainGoat, who unfortunately is out of business, and never looked back. I can just pull it across and everything gets sucked into it. Mesh skins give the tarp a chance to drip-dry a little. I have HG's mesh single as well for my summer tarp.

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    Senior Member mistone's Avatar
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    Mesh works best for me !
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    Another vote for mesh after discovering how long it took the nylon sleeve to dry after holding a wet tarp. But I’m not 100 percent sold on single vs double. With a double, I have to watch out for the “bubble” - but with attention to rolling while sliding on the skin, that can be avoided. The single sounds simpler and sort of is because it’s one item. But - there’s a lot more drag/friction as I pull the skin across 11 to 13 ft of tarp. Even though there isn’t a bubble potential, I have to pay more attention to rolling/squeezing the tarp so I can drag it from the end taper all the way down the full length of the tarp. As the tarp sort of lives by itself - wet or potential wet things stored separately from dry things - that potential bubble with two skins isn’t much of a problem and it is easier to pull a 6 ft skin on/off than the longer single version.

    Note that I am NOT using the skin to keep a wet tarp from moisturizing a dry hammock. The tarp is kept separate whether wet or dry. I use the skin because it makes it possible to deploy the tarp in a bit if wind. Before I embraced the skin, I had two failures when trying to up up a full sized tarp in non-trivial gusting wind - wind strong enough to deform one of my split ring “fuses” on the D-Rings.
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