Decided on Winter Dream 11' or 12' ??? - w/ End Pole Mod w/ 11ft Hammock

**Us5Camp** · 10-14-2016, 11:06

I've pretty much decided on the UGQ Winter Dream w/ full End Pole Mod so I can use the tarp in free standing porch mode and have additional room for this 6'3 hammock'r.

My hammock is a 11ft Dutch

My current tarp is Noah 12.

Since this tarp will have doors and be easier to close out wind driven rain than the Noah 12, I'm considering the 11ft version.

Yet..... since most of my use is via canoe and virtually no backpacking, should I just get the 12' for additional room (both length & height since the 12ft on average might be hung a little higher to clear the hammock suspension.

I "think" I'll be ordering the Sil/PU Poly vs the Sil/PU Nylon for the non-water absorbing properties, but also read about the increased resistance to tears from the sil/nylon, so not fully decided there either.

I fully realize there is no perfect answer, but welcome opinions and experiences!

**Wanderlost** · 10-14-2016, 11:25

I too use an 11' hammock. I made my tarp 12'. Since you're already talking about a winter tarp (extra weight), the extra ounce or so of weight isn't that big of a burden for the extra space. Definitely go with the poly. It has significantly less stretch in it in addition to the points you already stated.

**Zilla** · 10-14-2016, 14:35

I have allways had an 11 ft tarp until recently i picked up a 12 footer and i dont think i'll ever go back to an 11 footer again, you would be amazed at how much differance the extra foot seems to make.
Nice and roomy and no chance of rain getting to me again.
I would go Poly and 12 foot long imo!!

**dakotaross** · 10-14-2016, 15:01

Yeah, the room under my 12 footer is great, but occasionally I do have an issue not fitting where I'd rather hang, and settling for an alternative - typically giving up what would otherwise be a perfect set of trees for a set typically much further apart than I would prefer. When I bought the tarp, it didn't have doors and I was very pleased with the extra length. Since I had doors put on it - I don't find that the extra length and the room created on the ends is all that necessary.

Not a huge issue, and can be minor enough to make the extra room a net gain for those who desire that.

**deuce656** · 10-14-2016, 15:31

Originally Posted by Us5Camp

I've pretty much decided on the UGQ Winter Dream w/ full End Pole Mod so I can use the tarp in free standing porch mode and have additional room for this 6'3 hammock'r.

My hammock is a 11ft Dutch

My current tarp is Noah 12.

Since this tarp will have doors and be easier to close out wind driven rain than the Noah 12, I'm considering the 11ft version.

Yet..... since most of my use is via canoe and virtually no backpacking, should I just get the 12' for additional room (both length & height since the 12ft on average might be hung a little higher to clear the hammock suspension.

I "think" I'll be ordering the Sil/PU Poly vs the Sil/PU Nylon for the non-water absorbing properties, but also read about the increased resistance to tears from the sil/nylon, so not fully decided there either.

I fully realize there is no perfect answer, but welcome opinions and experiences!

I'm about to pull the trigger on the same tarp but 13' to accommodate me and my WBRR.....I've had a little concern after reading about site selection but I've noticed I get an optimal hang with the RR with trees 18-20 feet apart so don't think it will be an issue anyway. I'll use the superfly for my xlc

**Us5Camp** · 10-18-2016, 09:16

Now if I could just pull the trigger on 11' vs 12' we could get this thing on order !!!!

My Noah 12' measures 11ft 6in (I think) when i A frame mode and wouldn't want it smaller, but as it's square basically, the WD should actually be longer at the outer edges due to the doors.
I am split right down the middle on which way to go..

On one hand w/ this design specific to hammock, the 11ft w/ doors should be adequate and will work, it will work !!

It will fit in more places. It will allow the tarp to be hung lower to the hammock when needed.

On the other hand... I'm 6'3" and like my room, like to have a camp chair with me under the tarp and like us all... like my space !!

Either way, I'll be ordering Sil/PU Poly w/ the Internal End Pole Mod to be able to create more room and have a hiking-pole-less porch mode in low wind conditions!

I know there's no right or wrong decision... just wish I could see both or a super fly or something other than my Noah 12 to compare it to.

**Barren23** · 10-18-2016, 16:39

I love my sil poly, definitely go that route! I'd say go 12' too. It is very lightweight along with being crazy small when packed. It makes my Hennessey look like a blue tarp special! The only issue I've had with my winter dream is one of the metal rings that you connect to the ridgeline gave out under heavy wind. Maybe you're supposed to use both of them at once?

**sr1355** · 10-18-2016, 19:10

Originally Posted by Barren23

I love my sil poly, definitely go that route! I'd say go 12' too. It is very lightweight along with being crazy small when packed. It makes my Hennessey look like a blue tarp special! The only issue I've had with my winter dream is one of the metal rings that you connect to the ridgeline gave out under heavy wind. Maybe you're supposed to use both of them at once?

If you notice all of our photos of the ridge/guy outs show both rings being used. Easy to replace and available at any Michaels store, 12mm Stainless Steel split ring. If you can't find them or if you prefer send us an email and we can drop a few in the mail for you. One will elongate and fail, two work just fine with no reported failures of two rings. Maybe we will get a tag made that we can install on one tie-out indicating to use both the rings prior to shipping.

**Carrico** · 10-18-2016, 21:46

I have a Dutch hammock and a 11ft superfly. While it definitely works, I certainly wouldn't mind and extra six inches on the ends. I've also never had an issue with not having enough room in between trees.