Which HG Winter Palace options?

**Nineline** · 09-21-2016, 21:57

Thanks everyone for the replies. I will definitely opt for the standard color material (non-camo) for the money and small weight savings.

I'm torn between the two sizes after reading the various opinions of people that all know a lot more than I about hammock camping, as I've only recently switched from the ground. I'm leaning towards the 11 ft simply because my Superfly is 11 and it works fine, but I see so many people touting the 12 ft size that I wanted to understand why it was so popular.

**perrito** · 09-22-2016, 05:20

On an 11' hammock, the ridgeline is about 110".
An 11' (132") tarp will end up covering you with 11" to spare on each side.
A 12' tarp will give you 17" on each side.
Me? I have the 13' model.

I got it lightly used here. Now that's a palace! And yes I have to hang it higher, but then I'm 6'2" tall so I'm good with that.

**sqidmark** · 09-22-2016, 06:49

I'm not sure if HG will do this, but my DIY xenon tarp is 12' with a second ridgeline tie-out @ 11' . It may make the doors hang kinda funky, but we hang with a spreader bar @ the head end so they don't close anyway. It's nice to have the option. I'm sure the diff in weight in a cf tarp is negligible.

**sqidmark** · 09-22-2016, 06:58

Sorry, double post.

**Nineline** · 09-24-2016, 01:16

Well after discussing here and talking to HG, I went ahead and ordered a 11 ft green WP and it should arrive before my next trip! Thanks for all the advice. A couple setup questions if I may:

As far as tie outs go, do you guys use any perimeter tie outs other than the 4 corners and doors? Anyone staking out the perimeter tie outs along the long sides?

Also I plan to add loops with Dutch tarp fleaz to the corner tie outs for ease of staking, and for my silnylon tarp I use shock cord loops for this. I understand its not as important for CF tarps to use shock cord relief, tho I don't quite understand why. Would it be better to just use Zing-it loops? Or can I still use shock cord?

**SilvrSurfr** · 09-24-2016, 16:20

Originally Posted by Nineline

Also I plan to add loops with Dutch tarp fleaz to the corner tie outs for ease of staking, and for my silnylon tarp I use shock cord loops for this. I understand its not as important for CF tarps to use shock cord relief, tho I don't quite understand why. Would it be better to just use Zing-it loops? Or can I still use shock cord?

People use shock cord on silnylon because it stretches when it gets wet. In theory, shock cord serves as a tarp tensioner to take up the slack when it gets wet. However, I don't find that the shock cord is necessary with silnylon. I'd rather the silnylon get wet then I can restake as necessary.

Since cuben fiber doesn't stretch when wet, shock cord isn't necessary. Personally, I don't use Dutch tarp fleaz or any other hardware on my tie-outs. My guylines are larksheaded onto the tarp, then I use a marlin spike hitch on the stake. It can't get any easier than that - no hardware necessary.