Crazy Creek / Cinch Buckle Support setup

**slowhike** · 11-28-2006, 20:32

i`ve only seen one bear while hiking & that was from probably at least a quarter mile away (mt mitchel, nc).
he was gone by the time i got closer & came out to where i could see again.
i camped there on that meadow-like mountian side that night, but never saw the bear again.

**headchange4u** · 11-30-2006, 12:41

Here's a pic of my HH with straps including my new buckle attachment:

http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery....php?i=193&c=4

And in use with my HH ULB:

http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery....php?i=195&c=4

**Aramis** · 11-30-2006, 18:11

Originally Posted by slowhike

i`ve seen those rascals on tv. i bet that would get your blood pumping<G>

Wombats are cuddly little vegans. They have big claws that they use to dig their burrows, but I've never heard of them hurting anyone. It's more funny than frightening. Kind of like being charged by a muppet. I suppose we're lucky in Australia that the big carnivores had died out long before we got here. Still, apparently we have 9 of the ten most deadly snakes in the world, so it's all swings and roundabouts.

If I saw a grizzly I'd probably crap my pants

**slowhike** · 12-13-2006, 20:49

maybe this post will help keep some one off the ground.
last night was the 1st time i got around to using the cc buckles. i had a couple interesting things happen.
1st thing was that all of a sudden i started easing down to the floor. the 1" webbing from wal-mart had begun to tear on one side & the cc buckle had turned caddy-corner. i believe maybe the webbing was just to soft & pulled to one side of the buckle. i changed it out & went to bed.
next i woke to a falling sensation!
i had a question mark pop-up in the back of my mind when i first looked at the box stitchin http .http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery...5/PC110176.JPG .on the home made cc buckle straps... or maybe it was a caution flag?
anyway, as you can see in the picture, the stitching wasn`t enough to do the job. maybe someone can elaborate on proper stitching for a box stitch.
i`m guessing that the sewing mach needs to be set to deliver the most stitch per inch that it can.
i was all ready hanging close to the floor & had a big-ole memory foam pillow under me, so no injuries.

**stoikurt** · 12-13-2006, 22:08

Originally Posted by slowhike

maybe this post will help keep some one off the ground.
last night was the 1st time i got around to using the cc buckles. i had a couple interesting things happen.
1st thing was that all of a sudden i started easing down to the floor. the 1" webbing from wal-mart had begun to tear on one side & the cc buckle had turned caddy-corner. i believe maybe the webbing was just to soft & pulled to one side of the buckle. i changed it out & went to bed.
next i woke to a falling sensation!
i had a question mark pop-up in the back of my mind when i first looked at the box stitchin http .http://www.hammockforums.net/gallery...5/PC110176.JPG .on the home made cc buckle straps... or maybe it was a caution flag?
anyway, as you can see in the picture, the stitching wasn`t enough to do the job. maybe someone can elaborate on proper stitching for a box stitch.
i`m guessing that the sewing mach needs to be set to deliver the most stitch per inch that it can.
i was all ready hanging close to the floor & had a big-ole memory foam pillow under me, so no injuries.

Did you put bar tacks at the top and bottom of the box stitching? I did a double box stitch with bar tacks and haven't had a problem.

**slowhike** · 12-13-2006, 22:21

Originally Posted by stoikurt

Did you put bar tacks at the top and bottom of the box stitching? I did a double box stitch with bar tacks and haven't had a problem.

no bar tack. i`ve been hearing that bar tacks can actually weaken fabric because it puts so many holes in a small space.
i believe it was on backpackinglight.com that they compared bar tacking vs box stitching & showed that the box stitch was much stronger.
but i did go back & sew two lines of zig zag stitches down across the box stitches on the other buckle`s webbing just to add strength until i make another.
i believe that having more stitches per inch will be better. notice in the picture, you can see that the stitches are probably longer than they should be.

**blackbishop351** · 12-13-2006, 23:12

I used triple bartacks on my homemade slapstraps, and they've worked great. I think bartacks probably weaken normal fabric, but straps are woven so loosely that I don't think it's a problem. As long as the stitch doesn't weaken the material, it's definitely stronger than box stitching. Especially when you don't have a lot of room to work with.

**slowhike** · 12-14-2006, 07:13

Originally Posted by blackbishop351

I used triple bartacks on my homemade slapstraps, and they've worked great. I think bartacks probably weaken normal fabric, but straps are woven so loosely that I don't think it's a problem. As long as the stitch doesn't weaken the material, it's definitely stronger than box stitching. Especially when you don't have a lot of room to work with.

maybe i`ll give it a try. i`m really liking the cc buckles. i just need to be sure to get the attachments right.
i have thought about a series of lighter bar tacks which would just be about two zig zag lines, one on top of the other.

**stoikurt** · 12-14-2006, 14:08

Originally Posted by blackbishop351

I think bartacks probably weaken normal fabric, but straps are woven so loosely that I don't think it's a problem. As long as the stitch doesn't weaken the material, it's definitely stronger than box stitching. Especially when you don't have a lot of room to work with.

I believe this is probably true.

**Just Jeff** · 12-14-2006, 15:49

But overlapping box stitches spread the force over a wider area. As long as the threads are strong enough, and there are enough boxes, I don't see how concentrating the force into a bar tack is preferable. Unless you don't have room for box stitches, obviously.