Is this "On the knot, not the toggle"? - what does that really mean?

[kgirl91]

So I finished my two hammocks (12' gathered end) and I'm using homemade Amsteel whoopies, a UCR ridgeline and tree straps/marlinspike hitches. When I put the whoopies on the hitches, they slide off if I just place them above the knot, so I sort of tuck them behind the knot a little. By the time I got off the hammock, one had slipped fully behind the webbing on the hitch and the other had scrunched down the webbing but was still sitting on top of the knot. Are both of these "on the knot, not on the toggle" or am I doing it wrong?

Side 1: pretty sure this was fine. The webbing scrunched down under the weight from the whoopie but the whoopie is still securely on the knot. IMG_20150428_123433.jpg

Side 2: This is the one that slipped behind the webbing. Is this OK/bad? If OK, is it a best practice to tuck the whoopie behind the webbing like this for security? If bad, how do I prevent this? IMG_20150428_123510.jpg

Hope those images work. Thanks!

[Chigger]

I don't use toggles that often so I hope you get info from a more learned hanger. My thought is this. The toggle is there to keep the knot from coming undone. The knot will then support the weight of the hammock and it's person. I only use toggles with my day hanging in the back yard but never had a problem and just use dead fall from oak trees for the toggle.

[KingsFord]

shug has a video on it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giumWY1zknU

[pgibson]

You have them set perfect just like they are. Don't change a thing.

[Tacoma96]

Looks good to me, remember that the toggle is there to complete the hitch.

[SilvrSurfr]

I have three kids and I'm thrilled when they come hammock camping with me. However, it is infrequent that they do (two are in college and one is an athlete who is usually busy on weekends). It really annoyed me that I had to continually show them the MSH toggle thing and "the knot, not the toggle." I changed all my hammock suspensions to Dutch Whoopie Hooks, and I no longer have to deal with that crap.

[kgirl91]

Thanks everyone! I want to stick with toggles since they're cheap and light, but I don't want to break one setting it up wrong.

[lzeplin]

Looks good to me, just keep it off the toggles, on or behind is fine

[WalksIn2Trees]

I haven't ever needed a toggle, a knot by itself usually works fine, or with lighter gauge cord such as paracord, I tie a loop and knot the free-end, and use the free-end itself AS a toggle. It's very simple, and I never carry any hardware to get lost. I'll have to make a vid, because I see so many people doing all this complicated stuff, carrying around these unnecessary things, and its SO simple. Unbelievably simple! For instance, my gear hammock hangs from my main hammock via a knot at each end, but the knot is just a knot in the rope, it's not tied to anything, Islip the knotted end of the rope into a loop and the weight of the gear hammock, even without any gear in it is enough to keep the loop stretched taught, thus preventing the knot from coming out of the loop.

[Richard Tipton]

I haven't ever needed a toggle, a knot by itself usually works fine, or with lighter gauge cord such as paracord, I tie a loop and knot the free-end, and use the free-end itself AS a toggle. It's very simple, and I never carry any hardware to get lost. I'll have to make a vid, because I see so many people doing all this complicated stuff, carrying around these unnecessary things, and its SO simple. Unbelievably simple! For instance, my gear hammock hangs from my main hammock via a knot at each end, but the knot is just a knot in the rope, it's not tied to anything, Islip the knotted end of the rope into a loop and the weight of the gear hammock, even without any gear in it is enough to keep the loop stretched taught, thus preventing the knot from coming out of the loop.

A whoopie sling is simplicity in itself, and I used toggles for several years and never lost one. I'm sure your simple system is pretty easy, but you'll be hard pressed to find any converts here. Part of the joy of hammocking is the gadgetry and accesseries. Don't try to take my toys away!