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    Good call. I did the same thing before i bought...

    Good call. I did the same thing before i bought the 12' Chameleon. Dutch had thw 12' netless on sale for like $30 or $40. I fell in love and ordered the Chameleon not long after.
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    Thank You so much.

    Thank You so much.
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    Sorry. Old Army slang ��

    Sorry. Old Army slang ��
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    My 12' Tarp BARELY covers my 12' Chameleon and...

    My 12' Tarp BARELY covers my 12' Chameleon and would need to be very confident in my drip line. In regards to the UQ fitting the 12' Chameleon, it is a non-issue, contrary to what i was anticipating....
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    Yeah......doesnt look like it anymore. I bought...

    Yeah......doesnt look like it anymore. I bought mine when they had a sale. Maybe they sold out and it wadnt worth the effort when the 12' Chameleon is now an option. Im glad i bought the netless as a...
  6. Thanks for the detailed review and follow up !

    Thanks for the detailed review and follow up !
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    Any word on release date ?

    Any word on release date ?
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    Sooooo looking forward to getting one of these....

    Sooooo looking forward to getting one of these. Did Dutch mention if it fits the Wide and 12' Versions ?
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    I would love to see this for the Winter and Moon...

    I would love to see this for the Winter and Moon top covers
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    Yes. I found if you tried to raise it while...

    Yes. I found if you tried to raise it while inside, it would slip all the time and wouldn't hold. However, if I adjusted it while outside, and then went in, it held fine.
  11. Just finished listening and Subscribing. Well...

    Just finished listening and Subscribing. Well done !
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    I pack both. I nap and lounge in my 12" and sleep...

    I pack both. I nap and lounge in my 12" and sleep in my Wide. The 12" is my most comfortable and would love to sleep in it but need to add some bungee cord and mod my underguilt to fit.
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    *Update* So I did hear back from a Haven rep...

    *Update*

    So I did hear back from a Haven rep right after the July 4th long weekend and she had everything sorted and shipped right away. Derek himself checked in to tell me he was going to get...
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    I did post in the Kickstarter comments section a...

    I did post in the Kickstarter comments section a couple times then emailed.
    I've been burned on KS a couple time only and I believe Derek really does care about his customer base. However, given...
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    Had my first couple nights in it this weekend....

    Had my first couple nights in it this weekend. Woke up both mornings with an incredibly sore back as the pad had deflated. It's is super comfy when it was fully inflated and fell asleep rather...
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    I got to sleep in my Safari for the first time...

    I got to sleep in my Safari for the first time last night. Pad deflated and I awoke with a sore back. Re-inflated and let my wife lay in it ( I bought it for her and the kids to use while at the RV),...
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    Got my Haven Safari a couple weeks ago and got to...

    Got my Haven Safari a couple weeks ago and got to sleep in it for the first time last night. Messaged them a week and a half ago to get a couple missing pieces sent out but haven't heard back. I woke...
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    Got my Safari a few days ago. Got to take it out...

    Got my Safari a few days ago. Got to take it out for a quick setup and hang this afternoon. My ridgeline light didnt ship or the hook extensions for the side. Messaged them a number of days ago and...
  19. Thread: BBXXLC?

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    I LOVE my 12 footer from Dutch. It is the most...

    I LOVE my 12 footer from Dutch. It is the most comfortable to me but i havent tried attaching a quilt yet. But for lounging, its my favourite.
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    I look forward to your podcast every month. Keep...

    I look forward to your podcast every month. Keep up the good work !
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    I got in on the early bird. No shipping...

    I got in on the early bird. No shipping confirmation yet though.
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    I got in on the Safari kickstarter as well and am...

    I got in on the Safari kickstarter as well and am looking forward to it being a staple up at the RV for the wife and kids to lounge and sleep in. If i like it enough, i may buy an XL once they update...
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    Yup. Use mine on both the XLC and Chameleon.

    Yup. Use mine on both the XLC and Chameleon.
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    Im thinking of the for the wife or kids to sleep...

    Im thinking of the for the wife or kids to sleep in while at the RV.
  25. Thank you. Which video is it in ? I dont have...

    Thank you. Which video is it in ? I dont have time to watch them all.
    The only link i get showing are the Mammoth Cave National Park website.
  26. Great episode. Would like to know what his...

    Great episode. Would like to know what his youtube channel is so i can listen to the sounds he was talking about.
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    Its on my To Buy list, and made with a heavier...

    Its on my To Buy list, and made with a heavier canvas, versus a Silpoly/Nylon material.
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    I did this quick clip awhile ago to try and show...

    I did this quick clip awhile ago to try and show people the leg room and lay between the different hammocks.
    Without an underquilt the 12' is the most comfortable. I can move my right leg over as...
  29. I found that the double layer in my XLC did...

    I found that the double layer in my XLC did little to help mitigate my pad from shifting underneathe me. I actually found it easier to adjust and keep in place when i DIDNT place it in between layers.
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    Ive had mine hung at 15' and about 13', and both...

    Ive had mine hung at 15' and about 13', and both times the lay has been extremely comfortable. I kept the ridgeline pretty much parallel to the ground, where with the Chameleon and BBXLC, i have the...
  31. How tall are you Shug ? Reason i ask is because,...

    How tall are you Shug ?
    Reason i ask is because, being 58" wide, it is narrower than the XLC (62") and the Wide Chameleon (68"). I find with the XLC, even with the footbox my feet are kinda...
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    Im the same height and weight as you. I have an...

    Im the same height and weight as you. I have an XLC, Wide Chameleoan and a Dutchware 12'. I find the 12 Footer the most comfortable , and the knottymod keeps majority of the floppy fabric at bay. The...
  33. I will try and hit the bush next week and take...

    I will try and hit the bush next week and take some pics for you.
    It is the most comfortable hammock i've laid in, coming out ahead of my Wide Chameleon by a fair bit.
  34. I hadnt seen any real reviews on 12 footers at...

    I hadnt seen any real reviews on 12 footers at all, so figured I'd bite the bullet and try one. I really do love it, and if the ridgelines wasnt so high, i would probably get one as my main, but it...
  35. *Update* Gah.... I had a huge follow up...

    *Update*

    Gah.... I had a huge follow up written last night and somehow it didnt post. So i'll try and recap again.

    First - Zero calf ridge like my 11'Wide Chameleon.
    Second - Im geussing...
  36. Dutchware 12' Netless First Impressions

    Just got up to our RV resort and hung my 12' netless from Ducth. I recieved it, with much rejoicing, about 30 minutes before we had to leave.
    When i recieved my Wide Chameleon i immediately noticed...
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    Great read with lots if insight that i havent...

    Great read with lots if insight that i havent seen mentioned before in reviews.
    Do a follow up and let us know how it works out with all the 'tweaks'.
    I hadnt thought too much of all the nuances...
  38. Looking forward to your review brother.

    Looking forward to your review brother.
  39. Im using a full length Burrow.

    Im using a full length Burrow.
  40. I ordered a 12' hammock from Dutch to see how i...

    I ordered a 12' hammock from Dutch to see how i like the length compared to the 11' foot hammocks i currently have (including a Wide chameleon). The plan was to use it as a cheap test drive to see...
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    The UQ hooks keep it in place better and means...

    The UQ hooks keep it in place better and means less adjusting after each time you reposition yourself in the hammock.
    Thanks Shug. I'll grab some more shock cord and do as you suggested.
    Im eager...
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    Netless 12' with UQ

    Just ordered a 12' netless and was wondering if anybody else with one is using an UQ.
    I cant see there being an issue, but wanted to make sure there was nothing else i needed to adjust or compensate...
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    Im curious to see a review on the 12' Starlite.

    Im curious to see a review on the 12' Starlite.
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    Not setting up your sleep system a few times...

    Not setting up your sleep system a few times before going on a trip, is asking for trouble. Especially when you're rolling into camp in the dark. I dont think people realise that there is actually...
  45. Great video. I this is an example of where a top...

    Great video.
    I this is an example of where a top cover really shines. Not only does it add warmth, it also adds some protection from blowing snow and hail. I think a quilt protector would have...
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    Could be that hammocks just arent for you.

    Could be that hammocks just arent for you.
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    Thanks guys ! I will try try those suggestions.

    Thanks guys !
    I will try try those suggestions.
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    Great setup. AND a heated bathroom to run to !

    Great setup. AND a heated bathroom to run to !
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    Compression Sacks for quilts

    Just a quick question for those of you packing TQ and UQ. What stuff sacks is everyone using to compress their down quilts into their packs ?
    Im using the stuff sacks that came with my Hammock Gear...
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    I gotta say, a flannel liner feels like heaven in...

    I gotta say, a flannel liner feels like heaven in a sleeping bag. On winter exercises with the army, that Flannel felt better than Whiskey.
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