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    That’s a great setup! I like the simplicity of...

    That’s a great setup!
    I like the simplicity of the external pole mods. It seems like they would leave a narrower base since the poles don’t extend down to the corners of the tarp, and I really feel...
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    Yeah, trying not to deviate too much from my...

    Yeah, trying not to deviate too much from my original question about (wide) tarps and rain protection haha.
    But it was definitely helpful to learn more about UQPs and their capacity for rain...
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    I'm probably around sector 4 or 5. But I'll get...

    I'm probably around sector 4 or 5. But I'll get secured in sector 7...eventually.

    Hammock camping is "playing the long game" to perfect: lots of practice, LOTS of patience.


    And just out of...
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    Yeah, that makes sense. Secured well enough...

    Yeah, that makes sense. Secured well enough around perimeter of underquilt, but not so much that it compresses it.
    Relaxed and secure.
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    Yeah, I think that I have closed the doors that...

    Yeah, I think that I have closed the doors that way before. For me, the problem arises when using the internal pole mods, which expands the footprint of the tarp drastically, making it more difficult...
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    That makes sense. Allow the underquilt to conform...

    That makes sense. Allow the underquilt to conform to hammock, which means that we must experiment with the amount of tension necessary to achieve a snug fit around the critical areas of the backside....
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    I probably could have placed drip lines a bit...

    I probably could have placed drip lines a bit further under tarp, but that’s a good point. I will set up two per side for redundancy next time, if I am expecting a heavy rainstorm, and place them...
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    Ah, I see. So not too tight, but not too loose...

    Ah, I see. So not too tight, but not too loose either. Snug enough to seal any gaps around perimeter to prevent convective heat loss.

    Sounds like an interesting piece of gear. I’d like to know...
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    Wow, that photo is classic! Nice! It’s amazing...

    Wow, that photo is classic! Nice! It’s amazing how much smaller our packs are now (and equipment).

    So, an UQP helps keep underquilt in place better, or rather, closer the hammock body. That...
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    I’m with you on that: part of the fun is...

    I’m with you on that: part of the fun is definitely tinkering and fine tuning, perfecting one’s skills!

    UQP is on my (growing) list of gear that I would like to use one day. Seems practical when...
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    Yeah, an underquilt protector might help in that...

    Yeah, an underquilt protector might help in that situation, but I haven’t used one personally. I really wonder how effective it would be at keeping UQ dry from mist or even water traveling down...
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    Yeah, that's a good point, anything airborne...

    Yeah, that's a good point, anything airborne (mist or fog) is much more culpable. Even with doors, mist finds a way inside the tarp. I've camped next to mountain streams and quickly discovered how...
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    I finally bought a Hammock Gear Incubator 20°F...

    I finally bought a Hammock Gear Incubator 20°F (-5°C) underquilt last year. What a world of versatility! Very easy to vent it by loosening primary suspension so that it hangs relaxed on the hammock,...
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    Yeah, the water was running down the suspension,...

    Yeah, the water was running down the suspension, which eventually saturated the webbing. So I was left with soaked drip lines and damp foot end of hammock and UQ.

    I guess that I was just curious...
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    It's tough to just have one tarp to rule them...

    It's tough to just have one tarp to rule them all. Oftentimes it's either "too much" or "too little", it seems.

    It would be nice to have a few of them for different types of trips with varying...
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    Many thanks, this is all super helpful. I'm going...

    Many thanks, this is all super helpful. I'm going to experiment and try a few new things with my setup.

    I had drip lines inside and outside of tarp, both became totally saturated with rainwater....
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    I am really curious about the Thunderfly now. I...

    I am really curious about the Thunderfly now. I like reading about their performance in adverse weather. It seems like a tarp that can pull "double duty" in rainstorms and provide good ventilation...
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    I believe that water was coming in via...

    I believe that water was coming in via suspensions lines. There was just so much rain that the suspensions lines eventually became saturated, nullifying the benefits of the drip lines that I had...
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    I was curious about the Warbonnet Minifly, as...

    I was curious about the Warbonnet Minifly, as well as the Thunderfly. It's good to know that you stayed relatively dry in it, despite the conditions.

    It seems like we end up having more than one...
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    Thanks for that anecdote, KBr00ks. It's nice to...

    Thanks for that anecdote, KBr00ks. It's nice to know that others have accepted various "levels of wet" while camping in the rain. "Bone dry" is totally relative to the humidity, it seems.
    Staying...
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    And center it I will. Practice this, I must. ...

    And center it I will. Practice this, I must.


    I am learning that "dry" can be quite subjective to each person, especially in unyielding rain mist.


    Thanks for the video, by the way. Good...
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    No, I don't run a CRL under the tarp, especially...

    No, I don't run a CRL under the tarp, especially since I am using UHMWPE Zing-It, which hardly absorbs water. When I used nylon paracord or polypropylene cordage years ago, it seemed to inhibit the...
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    Good point. When the hammock is weighted, the...

    Good point. When the hammock is weighted, the suspension angle would increase more, causing a favorable angle for water to slide down straps. Not a lot that we can do about that, I guess.

    I'll...
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    Thank you for the anecdotes, SilvrSurfr. Your...

    Thank you for the anecdotes, SilvrSurfr. Your experience with the snowstorm reminds me of when I ground camped in a snowstorm with a cheap poly tarp pitched in an A-frame. I could not for the life of...
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    Exactly. All the more reason that I am trying to...

    Exactly. All the more reason that I am trying to diagnose the problem that I experienced.
    I am almost certain that a narrower tarp would allow a more taut pitch, since it doesn't usually touch the...
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    Probably for the best, yeah. I’ll just add more...

    Probably for the best, yeah. I’ll just add more water breaks and drip lines. It can only rain so much, right?
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    I will probably end up with a 13ft tarp at some...

    I will probably end up with a 13ft tarp at some point. It must feel like a fortress!

    Since the ridgeline is longer, you can hang it higher (more more standing room) and still have plenty of...
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    You are correct. The overhang was not distributed...

    You are correct. The overhang was not distributed evenly, but I didn’t think that it mattered too much since 6-8” is usually OK. But in heavy rain, more is probably better. The hammock that I was...
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    Yes, they were completely soaked through. It rain...

    Yes, they were completely soaked through. It rain so consistently that it must have saturated the straps AND the drip lines.

    At that point, perhaps I should use a barrier or something. Like that...
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    I have an old polyurethane coated Oxford nylon...

    I have an old polyurethane coated Oxford nylon tarp that is much shorter and narrower, but I was able to pitch it very close to my hammock ridgeline. And it kept me quite dry (even without doors),...
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    The tarp does in fact have doors, yes. The...

    The tarp does in fact have doors, yes. The problem is that they do not seem to close tightly due to width of tarp. There is some floppy fabric because I cannot stretch them further to tighten the...
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    Oh yeah, the tarp in question is a Dutchware...

    Oh yeah, the tarp in question is a Dutchware Xenon WIDE winter tarp with 11 foot ridgeline. Dimensions are 11'x11.5'.
    Now that I see the dimensions, it seems "wider than it is long" haha.

    It is...
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    While I was laying in hammock, tarp was maybe...

    While I was laying in hammock, tarp was maybe about 8-10" above hammock ridgeline. I tried to raise hammock closer to tarp ridgeline, but I found that more challenging. I feel that a narrower tarp...
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    Yes that’s very true, I have noticed that natural...

    Yes that’s very true, I have noticed that natural earth contours can affect the “seal” of the tarp on the ground.

    Sometimes when I pitch the walls/corner tie-outs of the tarp as close to the...
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    Tarp too wide? Tarp ridgeline too short?

    Hi everybody,
    I went out for a 5-day trip last month, and we experienced quite the deluge on the last couple of days. Supremely heavy rain, ground splash, some persistent mist; felt like the inside...
  36. Overall, it seems like symmetrical hammock builds...

    Overall, it seems like symmetrical hammock builds are generally more comfortable for many (if not most) people. The sweet spot of width, based on what I have seen, appears to be somewhere between...
  37. The 2.2oz Hex70-XL is intriguing. Seems super...

    The 2.2oz Hex70-XL is intriguing. Seems super supportive and durable. I’m going to keep it in mind for my next hammock. Also the 1.7oz MTN XL.

    And I have a similar hammock as you, a double wide...
  38. Yeah, I have a double wide hammock also that’s...

    Yeah, I have a double wide hammock also that’s less than 11’. Despite its length, it is still very comfortable due to its great width!

    Yet many people seem to prefer the “standard” 57”-58”...
  39. Great! Happy to hear that you made the decision....

    Great! Happy to hear that you made the decision. I think that it’s better that you went a little wider than the usual 58”. I find that the Chameleon is very comfortable.



    I tried one other...
  40. Did you end up deciding on hammock yet? I was in...

    Did you end up deciding on hammock yet? I was in the same situation as you last year when I was deciding on which Chameleon I wanted. I am also 6ft. (1.83m), ectomorph body type.



    And that’s...
  41. I’m still not sure what type of polyester fabric...

    I’m still not sure what type of polyester fabric I like yet, there are so many fabric choices…
    I think that for now I will stick with what they have on hand and then venture into different fabric...
  42. I will definitely try a polyester hammock one of...

    I will definitely try a polyester hammock one of these days. And 1.6oz fabrics seem to be a popular choice for a lot of people, so that’s good to know as well.


    Thank you all for input!
  43. Interesting. The lack of stretch is intriguing, I...

    Interesting. The lack of stretch is intriguing, I should add a polyester hammock to my arsenal in the future. And if they make it wide, even better!

    Do you still like hammocks made from nylon...
  44. Good to know, thanks for sharing experience. I...

    Good to know, thanks for sharing experience. I prefer a hammock that offers more support and maybe some stretch, but more firm is generally more comfortable for me, so this is helpful. I am not that...
  45. Interesting. And you don’t find it too stiff or...

    Interesting. And you don’t find it too stiff or anything? Sounds like a nice combination.



    Very true, that’s a good point. I imagined that opinions among hangers would vary quite a bit. One...
  46. Double layer hammocks: stiffness & support (fabric)

    Hi all,

    I am looking to invest in my first double layer hammock, where issues of weight capacity limit, loaning it to somebody, two-person lounging and general wear-and-tear are of less concern. ...
  47. Yes, you are right. I think that's what he was...

    Yes, you are right. I think that's what he was implying, just a matter of semantics. Ultimately, I was looking for a symmetrical integrated bug net for a 12 foot hammock (so not cut in the shape of a...
  48. Yeah, exactly. And the no-see-um mesh of the 12’...

    Yeah, exactly. And the no-see-um mesh of the 12’ Sparrow is cut in a parallelogram. Oh well.

    I will look into SLD! And Dream Hammock also for future investments, maybe an 11 footer; can never...
  49. I contacted Randy from Dream Hammock and he...

    I contacted Randy from Dream Hammock and he mentioned that while the 12 foot Sparrow is symmetrical, the bug net is not, sadly. I would have to opt for the 1.0 Monolite in that case, but that would...
  50. Ideally, yes. I may invest in a Fronkey style bug...

    Ideally, yes. I may invest in a Fronkey style bug net in the future, seems interesting. I am set on integrated at the moment.
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