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    Senior Member Solohammock's Avatar
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    The problem with putting the tarp over the ridgeline, or attaching it to your hammock suspension for that matter, is that the pitch changes when you put weight in the hammock. So you will end up with a saggy tarp, no good. The other problem is condensation build up... A good chance you will have condensation so when your trying to get out of the hammock it will rain on you.... Most (all that I've seen) socks are not waterproof, so you still need a tarp. You will want one to sit under if you need to anyway...

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    I bring a small sil nylon tarp along to use along with my sock. Sock function depends on material, but you want your sock to breath to mitigate condensation. The sock/UQP is mostly for reducing heat lost to the wind, but a sock also keeps rain spray and snow off of your insulation. I use a sock that covers my shoulders down to the foot end of the hammock which keeps my breath outside. You are in a colder climate than me (25F is cold to me) - Shug has the answers you need. Basically, lots of insulation along with wind/rain/snow protection. Cheap if you don't need ultralite weight. As an example: a Noah Kelty 12 makes an economical solid winter tarp and blankets/sleeping bags/pads are good insulation.
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    Trial #2

    Suspended the hammock from my deck.
    Temp started at 60deg F and finished at 55deg. (really odd Michigan winter)

    20 deg sleeping bag
    Wearing shorts only
    Snugpak underblanket. (I was surprised how thin this thing is)

    Let the tarp drape over the entire hammock. Clipped the sides shut loosely. Worked great.

    Slept great till 5am.

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    Trial #3

    Setup in trees and adapted setup to understand the needs of the system.

    Made a more adujustable ridgeline for tarp.
    Set pre tied loops in tarp ties
    Found place for shoes (in bag under hammock)
    Hung winter coat from hammock suspension.

    Didn't attempt to sleep in it. 10 degree night.

    Setting it up in trees shows a ton more challenges than setting it up in the basement.

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    Trial #4

    Temp around 17 deg. Foot of snow on the ground.

    Tried to use a minimum setup to see the minimum I need:

    Tarp, Hammock, snugpak under quilt, 0 deg bag, hammock sock, long jons, wool socks, hat.
    Made it 2 hours (but didn't fall asleep) , I wasn't cold, but maybe chilly. Could feel my back a bit chilly.

    Problem was i had to pee and I didn't want to get back in. Hard time sleeping as well so I went to bed. Wondering if I was cold enough not to be comfortable.

    I think had I feel asleep I would have been cold.

    Thinking my next step needs to not go minimum and add in a hot water bottle and sleeping pad, and focus on just trying to get to sleep. I couldn't fall asleep. Need to learn how to sleep in it!

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    A bit worried my ridgeline is too short so maybe I am not sleeping flat enough. 100" ridgeline for a 10'2" hammock...

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    Setup Details:

    10ft Gathered end hammock
    100" ridgeline
    carabiner / poly strap suspension
    Snugpak underquilt
    9 x 9' tarp
    Sleeping bag
    Homemade snake skin
    homemade sock

    Lots of homemade modifications...


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    Quote Originally Posted by ballpark View Post
    Trial #4

    Temp around 17 deg. Foot of snow on the ground.

    Tried to use a minimum setup to see the minimum I need:

    Tarp, Hammock, snugpak under quilt, 0 deg bag, hammock sock, long jons, wool socks, hat.
    Made it 2 hours (but didn't fall asleep) , I wasn't cold, but maybe chilly. Could feel my back a bit chilly.

    Problem was i had to pee and I didn't want to get back in. Hard time sleeping as well so I went to bed. Wondering if I was cold enough not to be comfortable.

    I think had I feel asleep I would have been cold.

    Thinking my next step needs to not go minimum and add in a hot water bottle and sleeping pad, and focus on just trying to get to sleep. I couldn't fall asleep. Need to learn how to sleep in it!

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    A bit worried my ridgeline is too short so maybe I am not sleeping flat enough. 100" ridgeline for a 10'2" hammock...
    Make sure you eat before you get in the hammock, drink something warm like hot chocolate, tea or water and go to the bathroom, water in your bladder takes more energy to heat, so make sure you empty the tank and don't wait to get up if you have to go it will keep you warmer


    Good Luck

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    Trial Numbers 5, 6, 7 and 8

    Hung the hammock in my bed room while my wife was out of town. :-)

    Wanted to just be cool with sleeping in it as I have very few nights in a hammock.

    Item 1: lifting my foot end of the hammock about 6 inches does help prevent you from sliding down as much. Still happens, but its better.
    Item 2: I have a snugpack UQ. I tied all 4 lines on each end to the carabiner. A few times the quilt actually popped out from under the hammock. Changed the setup to include two lines to the carabiner and two to the ridgeline and it works a ton better.
    Item 3: A pillow under the legs is nice. But, seems like keeping all that stuff in the hammock gets cluttered. Anytime I get out, it just all wants to fall out.
    Item 4: Its a pain to have to get up and go pee at night.

    It was a good exercise to go through this inside the house.

  10. #30
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    That pillow (calf ridge aid) can probably be eliminated by a little tweaking. Couple ideas: I don't see a hammock ridgeline in your photos so try adding an adjustable one starting with 83% length or change length of current RL (I use 82%), Lay more at a diagonal (flatter lay), hang the hammock with more of a sag than you are currently using, and lastly, try laying a little more on your side rather than flat on your back (just a little will help a lot).
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