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  1. #11
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    Im not sure anyone can tell YOU that you don't need a pad and UQ for 0. You might not....I don't...the UQ is enough with a proper tarp to knock down wind.
    But, someone in your group might. That's why testing is so important.
    Good luck!

    BTW, listen to Shug! He is a phenomenal source of info....and entertaining as well. Id have to say that at least half of the people on this forum learned most of what they know from him.
    Last edited by kllrbee; 10-26-2015 at 10:41. Reason: Shug Plug

  2. #12
    Senior Member oldpappy's Avatar
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    Weight not important but $$ is, so here are a few ideas to kick around:
    I'd get dutchware (oder all at once and save on shipping): 11 ft hammock(s), some amsteel, and tree straps for suspension. Learn a simple lashing and you are set. I'm pleased with the 11 ft Argon hammock.
    http://www.dutchwaregear.com/hammock-stuff/
    Winter tarp - Kelty Noah - pick the size you prefer for 2 man or 1 man set-ups. Lots of videos on youtube.
    http://www.amazon.com/Kelty-40820213.../dp/B00AA6SX8A
    Good advice above - get and test good top/bottom insulation - lots of options and a personal choice. AHE has good synthetic UQs for reasonable cost. I'm happy with their $100 Jarbridge, a mummy bag, good clothing, and a hot water bottle (but I only camp down to 20F).
    http://www.arrowhead-equipment.com/s...ic_Quilts.html
    My personal favorite 'just in case it gets too cold' back-up item is a hot water bottle. Plan and acquire your insulation for what's expected, carry a nigel or stainless steel water bottle to enable you to use a hot water to boost your insulation.
    https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/...e-To-Stay-Warm
    Last - the $5 Mainstay sheer curtains at Walmart make great 'HUG Bugnet'. I know - no bugs - but the HUG is great for keeping a small pocket of warm aiir to keep your face/nose warm (and use black - you can't see thru the tan well).
    https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/...k-Half-Bug-Net
    https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/...=1#post1175186
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  3. #13
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    This is really good. Thank you

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    Good Morning,

    Wanted to update everyone who was so helpful.

    Purchased the following:

    10ft gathered end double hammock with a polyester tree strap system. $40
    9ft x 9ft basic tarp on ebay for $27
    Sungpak Underblanket - $37
    Ridgeline, Amsteel Loops $10

    So, for my first ever hang, I am sitting at $114

    In my camping collection I have:
    0 deg kelty sleeping bag
    Stoic 1.5" air mattress
    Walmart blue pad
    Pack ect....


    Lessons Learned:
    Without making purchase / mistake, you don't have any reference for what is right / wrong about a system. Until you try it, and try to sleep in it, and try to set it up, you don't really know.
    I went as cheap as possible because I have no clue if hammocking is even in my future, but as I test this equipment out, I find out why the better quality items are actually better, and how each component works together.

    The main things I am seeing:
    1. Ridge lines are pretty nice. If anything its nice to hang stuff from it.
    2. The amsteel loops are really cool and such a simple idea. I guess more of a weight saving feature, but I like how it makes the ridge line stay attached during storage, as well as just simplifies the setup.

    Sleeping:
    1. Attempt 1 - in the basement, using my 'homemade' under quilt. Temp was probably 70 degrees and I woke up in a huge sweat so I abandoned.
    2. Attempt 2- in the basement, this time sleeping on the two pads. Made it till midnight before overheating. Pulled out the pads, (wow does it feel different without pads), but only made it another hour. Wasn't getting a real deep sleep. Could have been because I am next to the furnace, and it goes on and off every 10 minutes, and its pretty loud.

    My next attempt will have to be outdoors...


    The goal: Pads and Sung underquilt and zero degree sleeping bag... First test will be 30 deg or so.

    The trip: Late Feb - Huron Manistee Forest - Hike in 1-2 miles. Should be significant snow and temps around 20f, maybe less.

    Thanks for all the help!!!

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    Senior Member oldpappy's Avatar
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    For your test, try wrapping your pad in a fleece blanket or flannel sheet. Use flannel if you have it and it should be quite damp in the morning - this is the condensation absorbed by the cotton (flannel).
    If you use fleece (or wool), you'll stay dry but this won't absorb the condensation - won't be as damp as the flannel.

    Any new sleep environment will take 2 or 3 nights for you to get comfortable with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ballpark View Post


    The goal: Pads and Sung underquilt and zero degree sleeping bag... First test will be 30 deg or so.
    I've taken a blue ccf pad to 30 at least a couple of times. Wear a good warm hat and maybe some fleece and it's certainly doable.
    "...the height of hammock snobbery!"

  7. #17
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    Suspended the hammock from my deck.
    Temp started at 37deg F and finished at 32deg.

    Slept on the inflatable pad as well as the walmart foam.
    Zero deg sleeping bag (13 years old synthetic, so not as good as it used to be)
    Base layer on, fleece hat, two pairs of wool socks.

    Hot water bottle.

    Then I draped a very thin sleeping bag over the ridge line. (not sure this was any value)

    Slept great. I was warm. Woke up once at 2am and then up at 6am. Very pleased.

    My heat regulation had to do with how tight I closed my sleeping bag. (mummy)

    The tarp was covered in frost in the morning.

    No wind... I think wind or snow and my tarp setup will not be sufficient. I am thinking the draped blanket over the ridge line may help with this. The hot water bottle was maybe my crutch. If my toes felt they were getting cold, I shoved the bottle down there... It was still warm at 6am. (went to bed at 10:30pm) Also, ate before bed. The pad did seem to shift over night, it slipped down a bit.

    I do have the snugpak coming. Will try that as well.

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    Great to hear - you are on your way - experiment, dial it in and then go out in the field.
    I use an Underquilt Protector in warm weather ($35 from 2QZQ) or a simple sock made from an old car cover to block the wind. I use small tarps and don't leave home without the UQP or sock.
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    Quick question. Can I just wrap the tarp over the ridge line and then let the tarp hang over the sides of the hammock like a sock? I could close the ends somehow.

    This would give me better weather and wind protection.

    If you use a hammock sock, do you also still need a tarp?

    Thanks!

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    I am going to install plastic snaps on the hem of my square tarp. Then I can 'snap' the unit closed. This will be snow, not rain, so I suspect will keep the wind and snow off of me....

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